One for Trump Current and Ex-Supporters

[Al Gorithum]

I think it's fair to say that we've seen truly historic events unfold since 2016. Without being judgemental I'm fascinated to know in the light of the recent J6 hearings, what the current thinking is of those who have/do support Trump.

I'm guessing that it will fall into the groups described in the poll but could be wrong.

I'm really interested in your thoughts.

Let's please not attack each other's viewpoint. Play nice

[Gecko1978]

I know people call it a coup but I never saw a bunch of angry protestors being anything more than that. Trumps issues were 2 fold. 1 he said whatever he wanted whenever and never listened 2 the political classes never accepted he won fair and square so spent 4 years trying to undermine him. He did lots.of dumb st but also some good stuff (trade witch China, negotiating with korea).

[cgt2]

Gecko1978 said:

I know people call it a coup but I never saw a bunch of angry protestors being anything more than that. Trumps issues were 2 fold. 1 he said whatever he wanted whenever and never listened 2 the political classes never accepted he won fair and square so spent 4 years trying to undermine him. He did lots.of dumb st but also some good stuff (trade witch China, negotiating with korea).

The good stuff was done by capable people in his administration. He is an overgrown toddler with a persecution complex and attention span of a gnat as we repeatedly see. His missives read like they are written by a child and he has never given a speech where he doesn't go into personal grievance. A man who won't be seen in public without makeup is clearly more interested in the superficial rather than substance.

How he developed a huge cult following of the very people he would never allow into his clubs or hotels is incredible - no question he is one of the greatest grifters the world has seen.

I know a few people in the US who followed him, one of whom was quite a wealthy donor.

None of them supports him now and accept it was a massive con game.

[Ivan stewart]

Al Gorithum said:

I think it's fair to say that we've seen truly historic events unfold since 2016. Without being judgemental I'm fascinated to know in the light of the recent J6 hearings, what the current thinking is of those who have/do support Trump.

I'm guessing that it will fall into the groups described in the poll but could be wrong.

I'm really interested in your thoughts.

Let's please not attack each other's viewpoint. Play nice

American politics are toxic on here !!anyone who dares to criticise Biden or say the orange gibbon had some good points and got somethings right will be reported to the mods by a millennial snow flake and it will be all over!!

[off_again]

Oh dont get me started...



However, some anecdotal evidence from me - my neighbor was an absolute Trumper. Full on. In fact, a massive Republican. In previous years, the Republican party had tapped into the whole 'political class' thing and that did attract a lot of people who were disillusioned with the whole structure and outcome.

Now? Yeah, hates Trump for all of the dumb crap and wont vote Republican now because of all of this stupid Roe v Wade stuff. He sees the Republicans as just as bad as the Democrats with the whole 'ban this and ban that' stuff that is happening. Its one household from millions, but I suspect that the impact of recent things will impact the Republicans pretty heavily - enough to shift things? Who knows. But Trump still carries a fanatical supporter base - the problem its not enough to carry him to a majority. Pretty much every poll I have seen recently shows him at 50% of Republican supporters and shrinking. Some of the more public Republicans are even now calling for everyone to move on. I suspect his time is limited now.

[Ivan stewart]

off_again said:

Oh dont get me started...



However, some anecdotal evidence from me - my neighbor was an absolute Trumper. Full on. In fact, a massive Republican. In previous years, the Republican party had tapped into the whole 'political class' thing and that did attract a lot of people who were disillusioned with the whole structure and outcome.

Now? Yeah, hates Trump for all of the dumb crap and wont vote Republican now because of all of this stupid Roe v Wade stuff. He sees the Republicans as just as bad as the Democrats with the whole 'ban this and ban that' stuff that is happening. Its one household from millions, but I suspect that the impact of recent things will impact the Republicans pretty heavily - enough to shift things? Who knows. But Trump still carries a fanatical supporter base - the problem its not enough to carry him to a majority. Pretty much every poll I have seen recently shows him at 50% of Republican supporters and shrinking. Some of the more public Republicans are even now calling for everyone to move on. I suspect his time is limited now.

Hopefully he won’t run again and the extreme religious right will FRO … absolute nutters that lot …

[off_again]

Ivan stewart said:

Hopefully he won’t run again and the extreme religious right will FRO … absolute nutters that lot …

Who knows. But you are correct - the religious right needs to get back into their little box. The recent votes for access to contraception and gay marriage certainly showed where the Republicans see their strengths - which is odd, because thats not where they should be focusing. Something like 60-70% of Americans say they are Christian and of that about 50% are protestant. So backing the whole Catholic side of things is pretty narrow as a voting base. Yes, its strong and can be motivated, but the deeper you go on the religious right, the more you are turning off the moderates and 25% of hardcore supports might seem great, but you really need over 50% to win - and they just dont get you over the line.

Lets see what happens and of course, I could be totally wrong - but I expect to see the Republicans take the houses come the mid-terms, but not in the way that they think. Its not going to be the red wave they might think and it will have the strategists panicking I am sure.

[Dr Jekyll]

Gecko1978 said:

I know people call it a coup but I never saw a bunch of angry protestors being anything more than that. Trumps issues were 2 fold. 1 he said whatever he wanted whenever and never listened 2 the political classes never accepted he won fair and square so spent 4 years trying to undermine him. He did lots.of dumb st but also some good stuff (trade witch China, negotiating with korea).

+1

Disaster as a Human being, but merely a mediocre president.

[Crafty_]

Ivan stewart said:

Hopefully he won’t run again and the extreme religious right will FRO … absolute nutters that lot …

He has already stated his intention to run again, if only to prevent himself from being prosecuted if nothing else.

Fox news are apparently getting behind DeSantis and distancing themselves from Trump.

Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 22 July 18:30

[gregs656]

Ivan stewart said:

Hopefully he won’t run again and the extreme religious right will FRO … absolute nutters that lot …

If he is able to, he will run.

[tangerine_sedge]

Gecko1978 said:

I know people call it a coup but I never saw a bunch of angry protestors being anything more than that. Trumps issues were 2 fold. 1 he said whatever he wanted whenever and never listened 2 the political classes never accepted he won fair and square so spent 4 years trying to undermine him. He did lots.of dumb st but also some good stuff (trade witch China, negotiating with korea).

It was an organised pre-planned coup seemingly organised even before the election results were known. The attack on the capitol (angry protestors) was a smokescreen, whilst team trump tried to steal the outcome using Pence and trying to undemocratically change the results returned by key states. This is all being exposed by the Jan 6th committee.

[tangerine_sedge]

Ivan stewart said:

Al Gorithum said:

I think it's fair to say that we've seen truly historic events unfold since 2016. Without being judgemental I'm fascinated to know in the light of the recent J6 hearings, what the current thinking is of those who have/do support Trump.

I'm guessing that it will fall into the groups described in the poll but could be wrong.

I'm really interested in your thoughts.

Let's please not attack each other's viewpoint. Play nice

American politics are toxic on here !!anyone who dares to criticise Biden or say the orange gibbon had some good points and got somethings right will be reported to the mods by a millennial snow flake and it will be all over!!

No, only people who troll, argue and act like asshats get banned. There have been plenty of good discussions when people behave.

[Slaav]

tangerine_sedge said:

No, only people who troll, argue and act like asshats get banned. There have been plenty of good discussions when people behave.

Agreed! On both threads there has been occasional ‘sensible ‘ debate. The odd Trump fan has ‘held his own’ against Byker’s mountain of evidence but don’t seem to last too long. The Biden thread can be an embarrassment at times …. But some robust discussion can be had.

[cgt2]

tangerine_sedge said:

It was an organised pre-planned coup seemingly organised even before the election results were known. The attack on the capitol (angry protestors) was a smokescreen, whilst team trump tried to steal the outcome using Pence and trying to undemocratically change the results returned by key states. This is all being exposed by the Jan 6th committee.

The most shocking thing in recent news which hasn't been highlighted enough is that Trump knew they were armed and wanted the metal detectors turned off as he wasn't under threat from his own people. Sending armed people to the Capitol in his name is the very definition of a coup.

[Dr Jekyll]

tangerine_sedge said:

It was an organised pre-planned coup seemingly organised even before the election results were known. The attack on the capitol (angry protestors) was a smokescreen, whilst team trump tried to steal the outcome using Pence and trying to undemocratically change the results returned by key states. This is all being exposed by the Jan 6th committee.

It was not a coup. Remember when Al Gore's supporters tried to get the 2000 election overturned, 'hanging chads' ETC. That wasn't a coup either.

[tangerine_sedge]

Dr Jekyll said:

tangerine_sedge said:

It was an organised pre-planned coup seemingly organised even before the election results were known. The attack on the capitol (angry protestors) was a smokescreen, whilst team trump tried to steal the outcome using Pence and trying to undemocratically change the results returned by key states. This is all being exposed by the Jan 6th committee.

It was not a coup. Remember when Al Gore's supporters tried to get the 2000 election overturned, 'hanging chads' ETC. That wasn't a coup either.

I can't remember Al Gore supporters attacking the Capitol, or widespread attempts to subvert the vote, like trump did by attempting to stop mail in votes, or pressurising states to 'find votes'. Frankly, trying to compare trumps attempt to the hanging chads issue is laughable.

Lets wait and see what the results of the Jan 6th committee say, especially after all the evidence and damning statements from various Republicans

[Dr Jekyll]

tangerine_sedge said:

Dr Jekyll said:

tangerine_sedge said:

It was an organised pre-planned coup seemingly organised even before the election results were known. The attack on the capitol (angry protestors) was a smokescreen, whilst team trump tried to steal the outcome using Pence and trying to undemocratically change the results returned by key states. This is all being exposed by the Jan 6th committee.

It was not a coup. Remember when Al Gore's supporters tried to get the 2000 election overturned, 'hanging chads' ETC. That wasn't a coup either.

I can't remember Al Gore supporters attacking the Capitol, or widespread attempts to subvert the vote, like trump did by attempting to stop mail in votes, or pressurising states to 'find votes'. Frankly, trying to compare trumps attempt to the hanging chads issue is laughable.

Lets wait and see what the results of the Jan 6th committee say, especially after all the evidence and damning statements from various Republicans

Attacking the Capitol wasn't a coup either, just a riot.

[gregs656]

Dr Jekyll said:

Attacking the Capitol wasn't a coup either, just a riot.

Insurrection seems more accurate than riot, they had plan laid out - who to target, where those people were likely to be and so on.

[cgt2]

Roger Stone was involved in 2000 too, the Brooks Brothers riot


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[Electro1980]

off_again said:

Who knows. But you are correct - the religious right needs to get back into their little box. The recent votes for access to contraception and gay marriage certainly showed where the Republicans see their strengths - which is odd, because thats not where they should be focusing. Something like 60-70% of Americans say they are Christian and of that about 50% are protestant. So backing the whole Catholic side of things is pretty narrow as a voting base. Yes, its strong and can be motivated, but the deeper you go on the religious right, the more you are turning off the moderates and 25% of hardcore supports might seem great, but you really need over 50% to win - and they just dont get you over the line.

Lets see what happens and of course, I could be totally wrong - but I expect to see the Republicans take the houses come the mid-terms, but not in the way that they think. Its not going to be the red wave they might think and it will have the strategists panicking I am sure.