Tory deputy chief whip resigns after allegedly groping 2 men
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Why is there no mention of him being charged with sexual assault? If the report had said he'd groped two women, I'm pretty sure there would, quite rightly, be calls for him to be arrested, charged, resign his seat etc. Why can he just give up a little perk but essentially carry on as before as if nothing happened?
I don't care if he's Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Loony or SNP; anyone who sexually assaults another person needs to face the consequences of their actions.
I don't care if he's Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Loony or SNP; anyone who sexually assaults another person needs to face the consequences of their actions.
QuickQuack said:
Why is there no mention of him being charged with sexual assault? If the report had said he'd groped two women, I'm pretty sure there would, quite rightly, be calls for him to be arrested, charged, resign his seat etc. Why can he just give up a little perk but essentially carry on as before as if nothing happened?
I don't care if he's Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Loony or SNP; anyone who sexually assaults another person needs to face the consequences of their actions.
Probably because it happened in the last 24 hours and there is no indication that either of the people groped have yet made a complaint to the police which is the path to him being charged with assault.I don't care if he's Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Monster Raving Loony or SNP; anyone who sexually assaults another person needs to face the consequences of their actions.
Charges will likely follow given that his behaviour was so appalling that fellow Tory MP's grassed him up.
This will be the second time that he has resigned from the whips’ office following allegations, the fact that Johnson promoted him after the first into a role in charge of MP discipline and pastoral affairs is ridiculous.
Boris has to step up and get rid of him in the morning, resignation of post and retreating to the backbenches is not sufficient.
I used to vote Conservative but this is another reason I will not do so again while Johnson is leader.
Just another thought - the claim is that he drunkenly groped two men.
I don’t know about anyone else but I have been drunk on many occasions and have never groped another person whether they be male, female or whatever other gender now exists!
Not only should the whip be withdrawn but a precedent has been said with tractor boy resigning his seat so he should resign as a MP as well.
The Tory Party - the party of Law and Order (we break the law and have no order)
I don’t know about anyone else but I have been drunk on many occasions and have never groped another person whether they be male, female or whatever other gender now exists!
Not only should the whip be withdrawn but a precedent has been said with tractor boy resigning his seat so he should resign as a MP as well.
The Tory Party - the party of Law and Order (we break the law and have no order)
Boringvolvodriver said:
Just another thought - the claim is that he drunkenly groped two men.
I don’t know about anyone else but I have been drunk on many occasions and have never groped another person whether they be male, female or whatever other gender now exists!
That is because you are part of 90% of the population who respect societal norms and boundaries. I would count myself in that group too and like most can honestly say I've never groped anyone, male or female, no matter how p*ssed I was at the time.I don’t know about anyone else but I have been drunk on many occasions and have never groped another person whether they be male, female or whatever other gender now exists!
I say 90% above, wish it was higher, but it is probably lower...
Years ago, I worked for a company in Newcastle who primarily organised stag and hen parties. Provided limos, VIP club entrance with no queues etc. We had an affiliation with a local company whose business was providing male & female strippers for similar occasions.
Was shocked to hear some of the stories; always stipulated that it was OK to look but not touch, but 9 times out of 10 they would come back with bruises from being pulled around, clothes missing after being stolen as "trophies", scratch marks (this one mostly the blokes having been grabbed by drunk women), being made to feel like sh*t after being called a sl*g, sl*t, wh*re all night (this one mostly the women).
All the strippers I met were doing this for the cash, not for the love of it. In many cases it was their second job so they could afford nice things for their family/kids on top of what they earned day to day on minimum wage - tips could be great earners if you got a decent party.
No matter how drunk you are, or how much you have paid someone for "entertainment", if you touch them without consent, or verbally or physically abuse them (no matter how minor you think it is) or treat them badly in any way you are a scumbag.
No ifs, no buts.
As a Conservative voter, they have become a f
king farce. In every respect.
Armed Forces struggling with personnel levels, PPE scandals. An app that never really delivered, but cost billions (fk me!).
Nadine Dorries is a joke. Kwasi is a joke, they are all a joke.
It's lamentable and depressing that this is the state of the UK's governing party.
king farce. In every respect.Armed Forces struggling with personnel levels, PPE scandals. An app that never really delivered, but cost billions (f
k me!).Nadine Dorries is a joke. Kwasi is a joke, they are all a joke.
It's lamentable and depressing that this is the state of the UK's governing party.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Something to note is Pincher still has the whip as if he loses it he'll probably be forced to resign which means another by-election......
Would he be forced to resign?MPs have elected to "defect" or leave a party to become independent and haven't resigned (I personally think they should have...but they didn't).
Ouroboros said:
I'm just immune to the Tory party scandals, they are just so frequent nowadays. Morality clearly isn't on the forefront of their minds.
They do seem to have a big problem with who they are selecting as MPs. I still can't get over the number of MPs (of all colours) being looked at for sexual misconduct (think it was 53 or something? 8%!).I wonder how much their environment brings these character traits to the surface (obviously doesn't excuse this sort of behaviour...like others, no matter how pissed I've been, I've never felt a need or desire to grope someone).
Murph7355 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Something to note is Pincher still has the whip as if he loses it he'll probably be forced to resign which means another by-election......
Would he be forced to resign?MPs have elected to "defect" or leave a party to become independent and haven't resigned (I personally think they should have...but they didn't).
Ouroboros said:
I'm just immune to the Tory party scandals, they are just so frequent nowadays. Morality clearly isn't on the forefront of their minds.
They do seem to have a big problem with who they are selecting as MPs. I still can't get over the number of MPs (of all colours) being looked at for sexual misconduct (think it was 53 or something? 8%!).I wonder how much their environment brings these character traits to the surface (obviously doesn't excuse this sort of behaviour...like others, no matter how pissed I've been, I've never felt a need or desire to grope someone).
There have, for as long as I have been involved in politics, young men and women who have been willing - to varying degrees - to pander to the physical/sexual appetites of influential politicians in return for favour and advancement. It is wrong, it is distasteful, it lays bare the ego, ethics and venality of many a politician from all points of the political spectrum but it is commonplace and it is remarkably blatant,.
I think I said in a post here last Autumn, when a senior Tory was expelled for drunkenly hitting on a female journalist in a bar in the secure zone of the Tory Party Conference, that my only surprise was that it had taken so long for such an incident to be reported.
This is sadly an endemic dimension of life in politics. It is why, in the case of my politics-mad teenage daughter, I will be very loathe to encourage her into the political intern/SPAD environment as just too many politicians assume that any attractive young staffer is fair game.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I expect it would be quite hard to try to remain an independent MP if the whip is withdrawn which it should be.
Especially in these circumstances when he has previous around similar allegations.
Which is exactly why those who elect to remove themselves from the whip don't resign fully.Especially in these circumstances when he has previous around similar allegations.
IMO, the moment the whip is removed, for whatever reason, a by-election should be triggered. If the individual still has the support of their constituents they will get re-elected under whatever banner they choose to run.
ClaphamGT3 said:
This is to explain rather than excuse....
There have, for as long as I have been involved in politics, young men and women who have been willing - to varying degrees - to pander to the physical/sexual appetites of influential politicians in return for favour and advancement. It is wrong, it is distasteful, it lays bare the ego, ethics and venality of many a politician from all points of the political spectrum but it is commonplace and it is remarkably blatant,.
I think I said in a post here last Autumn, when a senior Tory was expelled for drunkenly hitting on a female journalist in a bar in the secure zone of the Tory Party Conference, that my only surprise was that it had taken so long for such an incident to be reported.
This is sadly an endemic dimension of life in politics. It is why, in the case of my politics-mad teenage daughter, I will be very loathe to encourage her into the political intern/SPAD environment as just too many politicians assume that any attractive young staffer is fair game.
It's pretty sad that we have to have opening sentences like yours here...but such is PH (and possibly life) these days.There have, for as long as I have been involved in politics, young men and women who have been willing - to varying degrees - to pander to the physical/sexual appetites of influential politicians in return for favour and advancement. It is wrong, it is distasteful, it lays bare the ego, ethics and venality of many a politician from all points of the political spectrum but it is commonplace and it is remarkably blatant,.
I think I said in a post here last Autumn, when a senior Tory was expelled for drunkenly hitting on a female journalist in a bar in the secure zone of the Tory Party Conference, that my only surprise was that it had taken so long for such an incident to be reported.
This is sadly an endemic dimension of life in politics. It is why, in the case of my politics-mad teenage daughter, I will be very loathe to encourage her into the political intern/SPAD environment as just too many politicians assume that any attractive young staffer is fair game.
Johnson isn't doing anything to set good examples on this, but as you note, this has been going on for a long time. We need to dismantle the whole tribal element of our politics. It wouldn't in itself cure this problem overnight - similar has happened in all areas of life, though it does seem more rife in politics. But I suspect it would make it far more likely that instances would be reported more readily and those found guilty of it weeded out.
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