Royal Mail possibly striking twice
Discussion
1st possible strike is over an imposed 2% payrise ( or 9% paycut whichever way you look at it)
2nd possible strike is change of conditions including;
Moving working hours from 6am-1pm to 10am-6pm
Delivering the entire workload for no extra pay no matter how long it takes.(ie only get paid for 6 hours work even if takes 10 hours)
Oweing the company hours to be used as decided by them if workload finished before time
Sick pay removed for the first 7 days of each illness
Sunday working as decided by the company.
A 4 week notice of how many hours you will be working, they will change every day of the year.
What do the powerfully buit mangers here think?
2nd possible strike is change of conditions including;
Moving working hours from 6am-1pm to 10am-6pm
Delivering the entire workload for no extra pay no matter how long it takes.(ie only get paid for 6 hours work even if takes 10 hours)
Oweing the company hours to be used as decided by them if workload finished before time
Sick pay removed for the first 7 days of each illness
Sunday working as decided by the company.
A 4 week notice of how many hours you will be working, they will change every day of the year.
What do the powerfully buit mangers here think?
A500leroy said:
1st possible strike is over an imposed 2% payrise ( or 9% paycut whichever way you look at it)
2nd possible strike is change of conditions including;
Moving working hours from 6am-1pm to 10am-6pm
Delivering the entire workload for no extra pay no matter how long it takes.(ie only get paid for 6 hours work even if takes 10 hours)
Oweing the company hours to be used as decided by them if workload finished before time
Sick pay removed for the first 7 days of each illness
Sunday working as decided by the company.
A 4 week notice of how many hours you will be working, they will change every day of the year.
What do the powerfully buit mangers here think?
I think a 2% payrise is not a paycut, no matter how emotional you are.2nd possible strike is change of conditions including;
Moving working hours from 6am-1pm to 10am-6pm
Delivering the entire workload for no extra pay no matter how long it takes.(ie only get paid for 6 hours work even if takes 10 hours)
Oweing the company hours to be used as decided by them if workload finished before time
Sick pay removed for the first 7 days of each illness
Sunday working as decided by the company.
A 4 week notice of how many hours you will be working, they will change every day of the year.
What do the powerfully buit mangers here think?
I also think 6am to 1pm or 10am-6pm is not 6 hours.
Banked hours is ok if there's give & take but if not, then not.
I also think that the Royal Mail is suffering as a business & must adapt if it wishes to survive.
Biggy Stardust said:
I think a 2% payrise is not a paycut, no matter how emotional you are.
I also think 6am to 1pm or 10am-6pm is not 6 hours.
Banked hours is ok if there's give & take but if not, then not.
I also think that the Royal Mail is suffering as a business & must adapt if it wishes to survive.
Hugely profitable though?I also think 6am to 1pm or 10am-6pm is not 6 hours.
Banked hours is ok if there's give & take but if not, then not.
I also think that the Royal Mail is suffering as a business & must adapt if it wishes to survive.
Something like £750m last financial year.
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
If for some reason I do need to send something I could use the reasonably efficient self service kiosks, but for some reason these are set to require human approval to issue my postage label. This involves 50% of the workforce coming out from behind the counter to ask me all the same questions I’ve already answered on screen ‘just to make sure’ - all while getting death stares from the exponentially growing queue.
If it hastens the demise of this nonsense I’m 100% supportive of as much strike action as is possible.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
If for some reason I do need to send something I could use the reasonably efficient self service kiosks, but for some reason these are set to require human approval to issue my postage label. This involves 50% of the workforce coming out from behind the counter to ask me all the same questions I’ve already answered on screen ‘just to make sure’ - all while getting death stares from the exponentially growing queue.
If it hastens the demise of this nonsense I’m 100% supportive of as much strike action as is possible.
valiant said:
Hugely profitable though?
Something like £750m last financial year.
Only bits of it, and that won't be the postal delivery part that thisseems to be aimed at.Something like £750m last financial year.
Postal delivery isn't a great business to be in when you're forced to offer a universal service. Parcels on the other hand is a bit healthier.
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
We haven't had one of those cards or any 'signed for' stuff returned to depot since Covid started. It all gets put through the door regardless...which does make me wonder what the point of proof of delivery is nowadays? It's the same with Couriers too.It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
Timothy Bucktu said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
We haven't had one of those cards or any 'signed for' stuff returned to depot since Covid started. It all gets put through the door regardless...which does make me wonder what the point of proof of delivery is nowadays? It's the same with Couriers too.It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
Timothy Bucktu said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
We haven't had one of those cards or any 'signed for' stuff returned to depot since Covid started. It all gets put through the door regardless...which does make me wonder what the point of proof of delivery is nowadays? It's the same with Couriers too.It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
If I see that it’s going to be a Royal Mail delivery before I get to payment I’ll find another supplier. If it comes up on Amazon after the order I’ll generally cancel before it ships.
Royal Mail seems obsolete these days. Would be happy to receive a weekly delivery of letters and leave the actual couriers to sort out everything else.
survivalist said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
We haven't had one of those cards or any 'signed for' stuff returned to depot since Covid started. It all gets put through the door regardless...which does make me wonder what the point of proof of delivery is nowadays? It's the same with Couriers too.It’s always deeply disappointing to see that someone is sending me something by Royal Mail as it’s virtually guaranteed that I’ll get a card though my door telling me to collect my parcel from the local post office. This seems to happen even if I’m home but take more than 20 nanoseconds to get to my front door. I also don’t seem to get any useful tracking details or the ability to pre-empt the former scenario and pick another delivery slot.
Once I get to the bloody place to pick up my parcel I get to join a massive queue of people all trying to do the same thing, all being thwarted by the 2 members of staff who have perfected working at a pace so slow that they barely appear to be moving.
If I see that it’s going to be a Royal Mail delivery before I get to payment I’ll find another supplier. If it comes up on Amazon after the order I’ll generally cancel before it ships.
Royal Mail seems obsolete these days. Would be happy to receive a weekly delivery of letters and leave the actual couriers to sort out everything else.
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
Post office and royal mail are different businesses.survivalist said:
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
Post office and royal mail are different businesses.Doorstep parcel collection. Next day delivery. Nationwide network.
Were you expecting drones and rocketpacks?
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
Some of those changes so seem significant, however the sad fact is that the post office is irrelevant to the vast majority of our population.
Post office and royal mail are different businesses.Doorstep parcel collection. Next day delivery. Nationwide network.
Were you expecting drones and rocketpacks?
I’m expecting them to be able to do it with the same level of convenience and efficiency as their major competitors. DPD, UPS, FedEx and even Hermes are all consistently better, especially when it comes to tracking and re-delivery options.
Nothing fancy, just a basic minimum standard.
From a strike perspective, I’d be amazed if anyone even noticed. Suppliers will use an alternative logistics provider while they strike. Actually, I’m all for it, less chance that I’ll be using them at all
Electro1980 said:
valiant said:
Automate postmen now!
That’s how it works isn’t it?
Automating trains is trivial, if expensive.That’s how it works isn’t it?
Automating postal delivery is currently impossible.
If it's just words or a picture, well that's what email was invented for.
survivalist said:
Nope, although those things would be cool.
I’m expecting them to be able to do it with the same level of convenience and efficiency as their major competitors. DPD, UPS, FedEx and even Hermes are all consistently better, especially when it comes to tracking and re-delivery options.
Nothing fancy, just a basic minimum standard.
From a strike perspective, I’d be amazed if anyone even noticed. Suppliers will use an alternative logistics provider while they strike. Actually, I’m all for it, less chance that I’ll be using them at all
What would you like Royal mail to offer parcel wise? (bearing in mind legally they have to also deliver letters)I’m expecting them to be able to do it with the same level of convenience and efficiency as their major competitors. DPD, UPS, FedEx and even Hermes are all consistently better, especially when it comes to tracking and re-delivery options.
Nothing fancy, just a basic minimum standard.
From a strike perspective, I’d be amazed if anyone even noticed. Suppliers will use an alternative logistics provider while they strike. Actually, I’m all for it, less chance that I’ll be using them at all
Cold said:
Electro1980 said:
valiant said:
Automate postmen now!
That’s how it works isn’t it?
Automating trains is trivial, if expensive.That’s how it works isn’t it?
Automating postal delivery is currently impossible.
If it's just words or a picture, well that's what email was invented for.
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