3 years for deadly overtake

[foxbody-87]

What do we make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914595/...

Not sure how I’d react if someone got three years for killing my father?

[Donbot]

I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but I knew he'd look exactly like that.

Causing death on the roads nearly always has a lenient sentence, so I'm not sure why the surprise.

[julian64]

I would have stuck the guy with the dashcam in jail for three years as I think his offence was almost worse than the overtake.

[Terminator X]

Nasty. Why didn't the person with the dashcam hit the brakes though, they must have seen it coming?

TX.

[Donbot]

Terminator X said:

Nasty. Why didn't the person with the dashcam hit the brakes though, they must have seen it coming?

TX.

Could be expecting the van to back out of it. If they both brake they have no where to go.

Edit - or more likely they were blankly staring forward like most drivers and didn't see.

Edited by Donbot on Tuesday 14th June 13:18

[RizzoTheRat]

I'm assuming the dashcam driver didn't even notice it happen, the crash happened behind them and if they weren't paying attention to thier mirrors they might not have even seen the van at all. While I agree they should be a lot more aware of thier surroundings, I bet a huge number of people don't notice an overtaking vehicle until it's alongside them.

[boyse7en]

Terminator X said:

Nasty. Why didn't the person with the dashcam hit the brakes though, they must have seen it coming?

TX.

Even though i kinda knew what was coming, i was still surprised when the van started the second overtake. If I'd been the dashcammer I'd have probably seen the van in my mirror, but once he starts the overtake it is too late to do much about it.

[faa77]

I really wish we could prevent dip****s from getting driving licences.

[Triumph Man]

Is it me or did the cam car speed up...

[oyster]

How on earth could the dash cam driver have not stopped?
Even if they weren't aware from seeing, the noise of the impact must have been immense, just a few yards behind them.

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

[98elise]

oyster said:

How on earth could the dash cam driver have not stopped?
Even if they weren't aware from seeing, the noise of the impact must have been immense, just a few yards behind them.

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

What do you expect the driver coming the other way to do? He was met with cars coming at him in both lanes

Same with the car being over taken. Its entirely possible he didn't see the van because he should be looking where he's going. Even if he did what could he do?

It was entirely the fault of the driver on the wrong side of the road on a blind crest.

Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 14th June 15:30

[anonymous-user]

boyse7en said:

Terminator X said:

Nasty. Why didn't the person with the dashcam hit the brakes though, they must have seen it coming?

TX.

Even though i kinda knew what was coming, i was still surprised when the van started the second overtake. If I'd been the dashcammer I'd have probably seen the van in my mirror, but once he starts the overtake it is too late to do much about it.

I doubt the DCW had anytime to react to that and even if they could have, the chances of the overtaking van being able to move over into the space created is about zero.

Some seriously unrealistic expectations of peoples reaction times and once the overtaking van was alongside the DCW events are set and it is too late.

[Gareth79]

oyster said:

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

There's likely plenty of similar incidents involving younger drivers, but we don't hear about them as often because everybody survives.

Looking at the road, the dip was quite steep and even if the elderly guy did seem them come down the other side the van overtook on the uphill part, so the first thing they would have seen is the van come over the crest.

gottans said:

I doubt the DCW had anytime to react to that and even if they could have, the chances of the overtaking van being able to move over into the space created is about zero.

Some seriously unrealistic expectations of peoples reaction times and once the overtaking van was alongside the DCW events are set and it is too late.

From the timings indeed there was nothing the cammer could have done to prevent it, although given they didn't seem to take any action after the crash at all I doubt they would have if they could! I wonder if they were perhaps shocked and took a while to stop? Or perhaps they got home and heard about the crash and then checked their video and saw it?!

Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 14th June 15:00

[oyster]

98elise said:

oyster said:

How on earth could the dash cam driver have not stopped?
Even if they weren't aware from seeing, the noise of the impact must have been immense, just a few yards behind them.

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

What do you expect the driver coming the other way to do? He was met with cars coming at him in both lanes

Same with the car being over taken. Its entirely possible he didn't see the van because he should be looking where he's going. Even if he did what could he do?

It was entirely th fault of the driver on the wrong side of the road on a blind crest.

Agree, it looks like there was very little the victim here could do. I like to think in a similar situation I'd simply steer hard into the ditch/hedge but on a blind brow, there's no reaction time.

On your second point - if we should be looking where we're going, why do we have mirrors? Do you not use them on single carriageway roads at all?

[rxe]

oyster said:

How on earth could the dash cam driver have not stopped?
Even if they weren't aware from seeing, the noise of the impact must have been immense, just a few yards behind them.

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

There’s very little he could do. A friend of mine was presented with the same dilemma on a blind bend, very experienced, got a motorsport licence, managed to get his car through a dry stone wall and rolled it 6 times - badly injured. Even he admits that he mostly got away with it because he didn’t complete the turn into the bend, if the bend had been in the other direction he’d have collided head on with the car on the correct carriageway.

Most of us would mash the brakes.

3 years - well, you get 14 years for actually going out and murdering someone. Regardless of outcome, this is a lesser offence.

[98elise]

oyster said:

98elise said:

oyster said:

How on earth could the dash cam driver have not stopped?
Even if they weren't aware from seeing, the noise of the impact must have been immense, just a few yards behind them.

And I really want to avoid victim blaming, because in this situation I can't tell if there was much option for evasive action, but why do so many victims of these head-on collisions happen to be elderly drivers?

What do you expect the driver coming the other way to do? He was met with cars coming at him in both lanes

Same with the car being over taken. Its entirely possible he didn't see the van because he should be looking where he's going. Even if he did what could he do?

It was entirely th fault of the driver on the wrong side of the road on a blind crest.

Agree, it looks like there was very little the victim here could do. I like to think in a similar situation I'd simply steer hard into the ditch/hedge but on a blind brow, there's no reaction time.

On your second point - if we should be looking where we're going, why do we have mirrors? Do you not use them on single carriageway roads at all?

Of course I use my mirrors, but on a relatively straight section of 50mph single carriageway what are you expecting to see in in them? Most of the time you will be looking where you are going, not where you've been.

[foxbody-87]

We can go into elderly drivers and reaction times and whether that had a part to play I don’t know but to use the old adage, ‘at the end of the day’ there was only one person driving into oncoming traffic and that was the lad in the van…

[Welshbeef]

foxbody-87 said:

What do we make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914595/...

Not sure how I’d react if someone got three years for killing my father?

3 years for killing someone on the roads.

Yet 10 years on an Internet forum some people go back in time and still grrr lots of grrrs about scrap 944 and Mars bar and drunk. Strange really - you’d think the opposite outrage lasting years to decades for death and weeks to a month max for a cheap frills lie. Beggars belief really but “woke”

[Countdown]

Donbot said:

Terminator X said:

Nasty. Why didn't the person with the dashcam hit the brakes though, they must have seen it coming?

TX.

Could be expecting the van to back out of it. If they both brake they have no where to go.

Edit - or more likely they were blankly staring forward like most drivers and didn't see.

Edited by Donbot on Tuesday 14th June 13:18

That was my assumption as well. Although I didn't think there was a lot of time for the DC guy to recognise that the Van driver had pulled out and was attempting an overtake.

Let's be honest - the van driver wasn't unique in his driving. Normally he'd have got away with it through luck or other people taking avoiding action. this was one of those times where he didn't get away with it and has ended up ruining a family's life. He'll be out in 18 months.

[tangerine_sedge]

Welshbeef said:

foxbody-87 said:

What do we make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914595/...

Not sure how I’d react if someone got three years for killing my father?

3 years for killing someone on the roads.

Yet 10 years on an Internet forum some people go back in time and still grrr lots of grrrs about scrap 944 and Mars bar and drunk. Strange really - you’d think the opposite outrage lasting years to decades for death and weeks to a month max for a cheap frills lie. Beggars belief really but “woke”

(a) Did you go to prison for your 'offence'? Or has it been light hearted banter for the last 10 years?

(b) Do you think that in this case, the offenders family and friends will forget that he killed someone and went to prison for it once he's out of prison and back home?