Govt interfering in National Crime Agency recruitment

[Digga]

Seems a bit odd. The two leading candidates for the role of head of the NCA are told the process has been halted and they must (if they so chose) re-apply for the job.

Not really sure how the government can adequately explain this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866503/...

[Jim the Sunderer]

I assume and accepted that all of these sort of roles only go to cronies, like in Russia.

[Digga]

This definitely seems to be the suggestion here, which IMHO is completely wrong.

The NCA plays a key role in UK law, order and, to an extent, defence. In a fully functioning role, it would interface and integrate with military intelligence, otherwise, we end up where Belgium is.

[loafer123]

It was incredibly unwise for a senior police officer to make public political comments, and he is now facing the consequences.

This article in the Spectator is useful in reminding everyone how this has been spun out of all recognition;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-...

Edited by loafer123 on Tuesday 31st May 10:15

[Digga]

loafer123 said:

It was incredibly unwise for a senior police officer to make public political comments, and he is now facing the consequences.

The comments made were not without merit or out of place IMHO, but yes, it is nonetheless unwise. However, the other candidate... what did he do and why has the process been messed with?

[loafer123]

Digga said:

The comments made were not without merit or out of place IMHO, but yes, it is nonetheless unwise. However, the other candidate... what did he do and why has the process been messed with?

Merit or not (and if you read the article I referenced, not) he shouldn’t have said anything in his role.

The article you referenced says nothing about the other applicant.

[ZedLeg]

loafer123 said:

It was incredibly unwise for a senior police officer to make public political comments, and he is now facing the consequences.

This article in the Spectator is useful in reminding everyone how this has been spun out of all recognition;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-...

Edited by loafer123 on Tuesday 31st May 10:15

A Boris puff piece by Brendan O'Neill

I'd think it was important that a high ranking Asian person in a police force that has been proved to be institutionally racist speaks their mind when it comes to issues of racism within the countries institutions.

[bitchstewie]

A Police Officer points out that the racist language used by the now Prime Minister would prevent him joining the Police.

And the problem people have with that is that the Police Officer dared to say it.

[Digga]

bhstewie said:

A Police Officer points out that the racist language used by the now Prime Minister would prevent him joining the Police.

And the problem people have with that is that the Police Officer dared to say it.

My take on it too.

That and the fact Boris wanted to gift a job to a crony.

[Dr Jekyll]

ZedLeg said:

A Boris puff piece by Brendan O'Neill

Tell me where it's incorrect.

[ZedLeg]

The context isn't relevant. Using that kind of language in a newspaper column is about as appropriate as telling a racist joke on prime time tv.

There was no need for it, I know Boris likes to evoke language of the empire and Rudyard Kipling but he was racist too.

[irc]

Digga said:

Seems a bit odd. The two leading candidates for the role of head of the NCA are told the process has been halted and they must (if they so chose) re-apply for the job.

Not really sure how the government can adequately explain this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866503/...

The MET racist? Well as soneone who holds one of the highest ranks in the force it obviously hasn't affected himb too much.

Why hasn't he attrmpted to change it from within? Why has he only gone public when he didn't get the job he wanted? Was it racism that meant other candidate wasn't offered the job?

Is it possible he just wasn't good enough for the job?

[Mojooo]

irc said:

Digga said:

Seems a bit odd. The two leading candidates for the role of head of the NCA are told the process has been halted and they must (if they so chose) re-apply for the job.

Not really sure how the government can adequately explain this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10866503/...

The MET racist? Well as soneone who holds one of the highest ranks in the force it obviously hasn't affected himb too much.

Why hasn't he attrmpted to change it from within? Why has he only gone public when he didn't get the job he wanted? Was it racism that meant other candidate wasn't offered the job?

Is it possible he just wasn't good enough for the job?

TBF the only thing Basu has said is he asking for an explanation from the Home Office - it is the DM that has spun it by using the word 'demand'.
I believe his comments about the PM were historic.
How do you know he hasn't tried to change the MET Police already?

[nikaiyo2]

Mojooo said:

How do you know he hasn't tried to change the MET Police already?

Perhaps because if that is the case he has not achieved a great deal. So failure to get a promotion would perhaps be down to this poor performance over anything else.

Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 31st May 15:04

Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 31st May 15:04

[Mojooo]

nikaiyo2 said:

Mojooo said:

How do you know he hasn't tried to change the MET Police already?

Perhaps because if that is the case he has not achieved a great deal. So failure to get a promotion would perhaps be down to this poor performance over anything else.

Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 31st May 15:04

Edited by nikaiyo2 on Tuesday 31st May 15:04

It is easy to make comments like that - we all know
We also probably have no idea what they have achieved
I expect making changes in an organisation like that is quite hard - even if you are the top dog.

[Electro1980]

Dr Jekyll said:

ZedLeg said:

A Boris puff piece by Brendan O'Neill

Tell me where it's incorrect.

In claiming it’s not racist if you use racist language but you were not criticising those people but someone else.

[Dr Jekyll]

Electro1980 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

ZedLeg said:

A Boris puff piece by Brendan O'Neill

Tell me where it's incorrect.

In claiming it’s not racist if you use racist language but you were not criticising those people but someone else.

Perfectly reasonable, when David Lammy criticised BJ for using the word pncinaciny he wasn't being racist but accusing BJ of being racist, just as BJ was accusing Tony Blair.

[Earthdweller]

We have zero idea why the process was actually stopped/paused other than press reports which may/may not have validity

It’s absolutely within Neil Basu’s right to ask for an explanation and reasoning why he was paper sifted or the process was halted

I’ve been in the same position myself on two occasions and did exactly the same, once I couldn’t fault the reasoning as they gave me the exact reason why I thought I’d failed it .. that was the HPDS .. which didn’t stop me subsequently getting promoted again

The other was for a lateral transfer where I’m convinced it was based on me and the officer doing the papersift having had “words” in the past, in fact I was told on the QT that was the case .. but I decided at the time it wasn’t a fight I wanted and moved on elsewhere quite happily in the end

With regards to this .. we don’t know enough to make a judgement tbf

I know both “two dad’s” and Neil Basu and both are extremely capable individuals.. but both are tainted by the Met in fairness

In summary … let’s not be too hasty to judge and wait and see what comes out

[ZedLeg]

Dr Jekyll said:

Electro1980 said:

Dr Jekyll said:

ZedLeg said:

A Boris puff piece by Brendan O'Neill

Tell me where it's incorrect.

In claiming it’s not racist if you use racist language but you were not criticising those people but someone else.

Perfectly reasonable, when David Lammy criticised BJ for using the word pncinaciny he wasn't being racist but accusing BJ of being racist, just as BJ was accusing Tony Blair.

Ridiculous comparison, Lammy was quoting Boris’s own words. Boris deliberately chose that word to add colour (if you’ll excuse the expression) to his writing. as I said, it was completely unnecessary to the point he was making.

[bitchstewie]

ZedLeg said:

Ridiculous comparison, Lammy was quoting Boris’s own words. Boris deliberately chose that word to add colour (if you’ll excuse the expression) to his writing. as I said, it was completely unnecessary to the point he was making.

It's how ridiculous it gets.

I've had muppets suggesting it was racist of me to quote Johnson if I believed he was using racist language.

God knows how these people read news stories about court cases or anything else that involves quoting what people have said.