Nightclub spiking epidemic

[272BHP]

Lots on the BBC and news sites this morning about spiking and trying to put in legislation to stop the epidemic.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/26/pr...

Surely we would be legislating about what is largely an urban myth. Most people who claim to have been spiked and present themselves at A&E do not have drugs in their system.

And with regard to needle injections Is there a substance that can be injected in someone in passing so quickly? Lots of talk about this but absolutely no mention of what people think the substances could possibly be.

I have never known a news story so lacking in evidence and essential information. Have we now got to the point where someone can self identify as a victim as it is their 'lived experience"

[Louis Balfour]

272BHP said:

Lots on the BBC and news sites this morning about spiking and trying to put in legislation to stop the epidemic.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/apr/26/pr...

Surely we would be legislating about what is largely an urban myth. Most people who claim to have been spiked and present themselves at A&E do not have drugs in their system.

And with regard to needle injections Is there a substance that can be injected in someone in passing so quickly? Lots of talk about this but absolutely no mention of what people think the substances could possibly be.

I have never known a news story so lacking in evidence and essential information. Have we now got to the point where someone can self identify as a victim as it is their 'lived experience"

I saw this. I was not altogether persuaded and, as you say, there seem to be no confirmed cases.

What would be the motivation here, and what would be the MO? Spiking drinks I understand, but sticking a needle in someone on a dancefloor without them noticing, presumably in the hope of getting them out of the club and into bed? That sounds like an improbable mission.

[pquinn]

I was reading the article and wondering what sort of rules could you bring in around something that seems to be a myth, and would be illegal anyway if it happened.

Then I saw the bit about victim blaming and how people absolutely should have their story believed and investigated even when all the evidence points to them just getting pissed. Especially the 'I was spiked 5 times' types.

Feels over reality strikes again.

[57 Chevy]

Another moral panic, like the Croydon Cat Killer.

[Electro1980]

There absolutely is drink spiking.

But, that whole article does stink of moral panic and mass hysteria. The timings of the supposed needle spiking and the lack of evidence for mass drink spiking, combined with the people who claim to have had their drink spiked multiple times. It sounds like data does need to be gathered to make an objective decision, but it sounds very much like people drinking too much and not admitting to themselves or others they have a problem.

[rscott]

Electro1980 said:

There absolutely is drink spiking.

But, that whole article does stink of moral panic and mass hysteria. The timings of the supposed needle spiking and the lack of evidence for mass drink spiking, combined with the people who claim to have had their drink spiked multiple times. It sounds like data does need to be gathered to make an objective decision, but it sounds very much like people drinking too much and not admitting to themselves or others they have a problem.

It seems to me that Select Committee are being surprisingly sensible - asking for more accurate data to be captured before doing anything else.

[KingNothing]

I'll repeat my point I've said before, I think it was always more of a case of inexperienced just turned 18 year olds who had spent the previous year in lockdown gaining no experience of social drinking with their friends or out in public who were suddenly allowed to go wild when the pubs and clubs started reopening and they did so. I've seen people who insisted they were spiked before, no, you just spent all night drinking your body weight in £1 shots, give over.

Drink spiking happens, do I think it happens as prevalent as portrayed, not sure. Needle spiking, if not a total myth I think will be pretty close to it.

[snotrag]

From my own experience - those who appear 'liable' to have their drink spiked also seem 'liable' to have their handbag or their phone stolen on the same nights out.


Or in other words, "I got absolutely smashed, and left my phone/bag on a table in a nightclub last night, someone must have stolen it".


I really hate thatI do come to this conclusion, but as per the original poster, there is so little evidence of it actually happening, that when it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

[Al Gorithum]

My Daughter was spiked in a local 'Spoons a couple of weeks ago.

It's an ongoing Police case, but suffice to say that the person she thought did it (a bar tender) was fired immediately after I spoke to the Manager who reviewed the videos.

I run (free) self-defense courses for women in order to give them some survival tools, as people can be horrible s.

[fido]

KingNothing said:

I'll repeat my point I've said before, I think it was always more of a case of inexperienced just turned 18 year olds who had spent the previous year in lockdown gaining no experience of social drinking with their friends or out in public who were suddenly allowed to go wild when the pubs and clubs started reopening and they did so.

A girlfriends' friend was spiked and she's thirty and reasonably sensible. I don't think it's lack of experience - more groups of girls (or boys) when drinking together get distracted and don't watch their drinks. Or as above someone who works at the bar which isn't anyone else's fault.

[julian64]

Al Gorithum said:

My Daughter was spiked in a local 'Spoons a couple of weeks ago.

It's an ongoing Police case, but suffice to say that the person she thought did it (a bar tender) was fired immediately after I spoke to the Manager who reviewed the videos.

I run (free) self-defense courses for women in order to give them some survival tools, as people can be horrible s.

Whether you run self defence courses for men or women, I hope the first thing you tell them to do is run. Fighting isn't a survival tool, running is.

[bitchstewie]

Good to know you chaps have got it figured out.

Article said:

The true prevalence of drink and needle spiking remains unknown because of inadequate data collection, MPs have warned, after hearing of victims dismissed as having had “one too many”.

Can't think where they got that idea from.

[FreeLitres]

Here is a video of a girl that had her drink spiked. Just one too many at the bar?

https://youtu.be/RA5JcvFgOwE?t=15

[KingNothing]

fido said:

KingNothing said:

I'll repeat my point I've said before, I think it was always more of a case of inexperienced just turned 18 year olds who had spent the previous year in lockdown gaining no experience of social drinking with their friends or out in public who were suddenly allowed to go wild when the pubs and clubs started reopening and they did so.

A girlfriends' friend was spiked and she's thirty and reasonably sensible. I don't think it's lack of experience - more groups of girls (or boys) when drinking together get distracted and don't watch their drinks. Or as above someone who works at the bar which isn't anyone else's fault.

I think spiking does happen, I just don't think the supposed massive increase and prevalence of unproven "needle spiking" particularly last summer and later in the year was anything other than some people who had drank too much due to lack of experience, and as mentioned, the needle spiking narrative was almost hysterical in the way it was portrayed to people.

[JagLover]

KingNothing said:

I think spiking does happen, I just don't think the supposed massive increase and prevalence of unproven "needle spiking" particularly last summer and later in the year was anything other than some people who had drank too much due to lack of experience, and as mentioned, the needle spiking narrative was almost hysterical in the way it was portrayed to people.

Yep

Needle spiking is likely almost entirely an urban myth. Spiking of drinks does at least happen but is likely dwarfed by the effects of alcohol which causes all of the symptoms of the alleged spiking when consumed to excess.

Women also have a lower tolerance to alcohol than men on average, so it is hardly surprising if more of them would report symptoms such as blackouts after drinking.

[Al Gorithum]

julian64 said:

Al Gorithum said:

My Daughter was spiked in a local 'Spoons a couple of weeks ago.

It's an ongoing Police case, but suffice to say that the person she thought did it (a bar tender) was fired immediately after I spoke to the Manager who reviewed the videos.

I run (free) self-defense courses for women in order to give them some survival tools, as people can be horrible s.

Whether you run self defence courses for men or women, I hope the first thing you tell them to do is run. Fighting isn't a survival tool, running is.

Avoidance, awareness, mitigation. In that order.

In relation to drinks spiking, I normally suggest that if the drink has to be left unattended that it's put behind the bar in a glass fronted fridge. This obviously doesn't help in the case of my daughter as it was the bar tender who did it, but I would say that's rare. In terms of mitigation after the event, there's an inhaled anti-opiod antidote Narcan to recover faster.

People are s. Best to remember that.

[272BHP]

Al Gorithum said:

Avoidance, awareness, mitigation. In that order.

In relation to drinks spiking, I normally suggest that if the drink has to be left unattended that it's put behind the bar in a glass fronted fridge. This obviously doesn't help in the case of my daughter as it was the bar tender who did it, but I would say that's rare. In terms of mitigation after the event, there's an inhaled anti-opiod antidote Narcan to recover faster.

People are s. Best to remember that.

What was the substance that was used for spiking? why are they giving an anti-opiod antidote when they don't know at that stage what they have been spiked with?

[Al Gorithum]

272BHP said:

Al Gorithum said:

Avoidance, awareness, mitigation. In that order.

In relation to drinks spiking, I normally suggest that if the drink has to be left unattended that it's put behind the bar in a glass fronted fridge. This obviously doesn't help in the case of my daughter as it was the bar tender who did it, but I would say that's rare. In terms of mitigation after the event, there's an inhaled anti-opiod antidote Narcan to recover faster.

People are s. Best to remember that.

What was the substance that was used for spiking? why are they giving an anti-opiod antidote when they don't know at that stage what they have been spiked with?

Apparently it's a general-purpose antidote. Told to me by the Para-medics.

[TwistingMyMelon]

I think spiking has been happening for the last 20 years

Theres also blokes that go out and target drunk women who aren't in a fit state to walk properly, let alone consent to sex.

All a bit grim tbh - more so when you have daughters and want to look out for them

And yes there is a onus for ladies to watch what they drink and not get pissed. But I know a few times over the last 25 years I've overdone it and lost memories after a night out

[Al Gorithum]

TwistingMyMelon said:

Theres also blokes that go out and target drunk women who aren't in a fit state to walk properly, let alone consent to sex.

Yes. Also an influx of Eastern European gangs kidnapping young girls to become drug addicts/prostitutes.

People are s.