Rees Mogg v the Civil Service - working at home
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The CS is still advertising jobs with home working - one I am looking at suggests 50% in office (notably pre Covid they allowed working at home much more). For reference this is not one that is based in Westminster.
I am guessing JRM doesn't have any direct power to enforce working in office. Will he try to get his own back by cutting CS numbers - which he has implied should be done?
I am guessing JRM doesn't have any direct power to enforce working in office. Will he try to get his own back by cutting CS numbers - which he has implied should be done?
The Rt Hon Member for the 18th Century appears to have no idea about the concept of home working. He was very fast to bring an end to the commons having remote access and is currently leaving cards on desks around the office where people are at home.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/23/c...
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/23/c...
I’ve long been of the opinion that you could fire 50% of the Westminster based Civil Service and see not a single jot of detriment. The most useless buggers in existence. That it takes JRM to lampoon them only exposes the ridiculousness.
Congratulations “the Rolls Royce of Administrative institutions”, you have been made to look fools by a prat from Somerset in a top hat.
Congratulations “the Rolls Royce of Administrative institutions”, you have been made to look fools by a prat from Somerset in a top hat.
The civil service workers continue to work from home because they insist it is more efficient and they save time on the commute.
I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
Uggers said:
The civil service workers continue to work from home because they insist it is more efficient and they save time on the commute.
I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
They've been hybrid working for several years, since way before Covid.I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
There aren't enough desks for all civil servants to be in the office at the same time anyway.
Voldemort said:
WindyCommon said:
Good. He has (for once!) my support over this.
The “Great Abrogation” cannot continue.
Ooh, tell us all how people working from home has affected you.The “Great Abrogation” cannot continue.
I suppose depends on the job. Working from home might be enough or it may not.
I don’t buy all the efficiency thing, particularly in a Govetnment “job for life” gig.
Sweet spot would be an hybrid solution if possible but with accountability not a DVLA style working from home.
Agree if working from home than London weighting should be revised on salary and when hiring we should then ignore geography.
Off course if this was proposed then the same workers that say wfh is best would say coming to the office is also needed.
Civil service, working from home and efficiency are probably loose words the would rarely make a sentence.
Yes Civil service do a lot but like the NHS there is a lot of inefficiency, waste and procrastination within the system.
I don’t buy all the efficiency thing, particularly in a Govetnment “job for life” gig.
Sweet spot would be an hybrid solution if possible but with accountability not a DVLA style working from home.
Agree if working from home than London weighting should be revised on salary and when hiring we should then ignore geography.
Off course if this was proposed then the same workers that say wfh is best would say coming to the office is also needed.
Civil service, working from home and efficiency are probably loose words the would rarely make a sentence.
Yes Civil service do a lot but like the NHS there is a lot of inefficiency, waste and procrastination within the system.
Uggers said:
The civil service workers continue to work from home because they insist it is more efficient and they save time on the commute.
I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
Civil servants that get paid the London salary rather than the regional one have to go to the office for 40% of their working week. That's already a fact. (Clearly that wasn't applied during lockdown.)I dont really care what they do. But I expect there will be no problem removing London weighting to reflect commuting costs, and the probable redundancies now they are more efficient?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:It's just more red meat culture wars crap because for some reason a lot of Conservative voting types really seem to lose their s
t over hybrid working.OnTheBreadline said:
What is this "red meat" that seems fashionable for certain types to keep referring to? Is it because "gammon" is now accepted as a racist slur? Is there a Socialist Worker buzzword bingo sheet that people keep referring to?
https://politicaldictionary.com/words/red-meat/“First used in 1911”…
CrgT16 said:
I don’t buy all the efficiency thing, particularly in a Govetnment “job for life” gig.
There is no jobs for life now.CrgT16 said:
Yes Civil service do a lot but like the NHS there is a lot of inefficiency, waste and procrastination within the system.
Is there? I want to see the evidence, and the comparison to an equivalent organisation.The WFH thing frustrates me in that the benefits have been exclusive to a certain group of employees in an organisation and those required to be present have had no breaks.
If you’re WFH you immediately have ~£250 more disposable income a month. In the same period fuel costs have gone up 60p a litre.
Also in my line of work those that are required to be present are on the lower end of the salary spectrum and these costs are disproportionately painful.
If those requiring to be present could claim the tax back on their fuel and see a pay rise to cover the disparity then happy days.
If you’re WFH you immediately have ~£250 more disposable income a month. In the same period fuel costs have gone up 60p a litre.
Also in my line of work those that are required to be present are on the lower end of the salary spectrum and these costs are disproportionately painful.
If those requiring to be present could claim the tax back on their fuel and see a pay rise to cover the disparity then happy days.
Electro1980 said:
OnTheBreadline said:
What is this "red meat" that seems fashionable for certain types to keep referring to? Is it because "gammon" is now accepted as a racist slur? Is there a Socialist Worker buzzword bingo sheet that people keep referring to?
https://politicaldictionary.com/words/red-meat/“First used in 1911”…
OnTheBreadline said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:It's just more red meat culture wars crap because for some reason a lot of Conservative voting types really seem to lose their s
t over hybrid working.An attempt by Johnson and his supporters to distract from his own incompetence and criminality, by throwing around news stories designed to appeal to his supporters regardless of bad they are or feasible.
https://inews.co.uk/news/what-is-operation-red-mea...
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