Hankey Pankey

[nick30]

Terrible man but funny his name, BBC report so left as you like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/60946043

Cue people defending sexual assault.

[Jenny Tailor]

nick30 said:

Terrible man but funny his name, BBC report so left as you like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/60946043

Cue people defending sexual assault.

Oh FFS.
This is what I really really hate about social media.
Try the person in public - when they are charged.
But not when found guilty.


But this - trial but public media - is sickening.
Some years ago - I heard a radio broadcast of one individual who was targeted - the police spend 12-15 persons to determine his guilt - and none to determine if he was innocent.
It haunted me.
Even take the words..."Everything you say will be taken down in evidence and used against you...."
Used against me????
Is there anything that says "...used to prove you innocent."


Now I have absolutely no idea who our protragonist is.
Is the worst person lived or otherwise.
I have no idea- never heard for him.

But we must have some kind of filter to let those who are accused to defend them with public bias.


Can we have some kind of filter to not allow person charged/ accused - but not yet found guilty / not guilt
It has ruined lives... eg Cliff Richard, Dave Lee Travis.

Not that it minds much - we get to post/ defend bile on them whether true or not.


Something is wrong with our justice system when we the charged/ accused are named - and there is an internet of outrage - and after months/ years of trial - it is found that the judge says "and you can leave here without a stain on your character"

Our protraganost may well be worthy of the death penalty.
Or may be not.
But this thread should just simply die - and let the courts do their stuff.


Once a verdict is reached - fill your boots.

[PurpleTurtle]

Errr DLT?

“On 23 September 2014 he was found guilty by a majority verdict of one count of indecent assault and on 26 September given a three-month prison sentence suspended for two years.”

I take your point about innocent until proven guilty but DLT was found guilty.

[bloomen]

Never heard of him, but that is EXACTLY what a darts champ should look like.

[thebraketester]

Jenny Tailor said:

Even take the words..."Everything you say will be taken down in evidence and used against you...."
Used against me????
Is there anything that says "...used to prove you innocent."

What?

[elanfan]

It says no such thing

You do not have to say anything. But, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”

Nothing about ‘against you’

[Biggy Stardust]

nick30 said:

Terrible man but funny his name, BBC report so left as you like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/60946043

Cue people defending sexual assault.

Cue people defending "guilty unless proved innocent" as you seem to be doing.

[Electro1980]

Jenny Tailor said:

Some years ago - I heard a radio broadcast of one individual who was targeted - the police spend 12-15 persons to determine his guilt - and none to determine if he was innocent.
It haunted me.

The police gather facts. That’s all. There is an issue with culture in some parts of the police, but their job is to gather facts.

Jenny Tailor said:

Even take the words..."Everything you say will be taken down in evidence and used against you...."
Used against me????
Is there anything that says "...used to prove you innocent."

Go and read the police caution before making silly statements.

[nick30]

Biggy Stardust said:

Cue people defending "guilty unless proved innocent" as you seem to be doing.

Blame the BBC.

[bitchstewie]

I've never heard of him but it's a BBC article that says he's been charged with sexual assault.

What am I missing?

[boyse7en]

nick30 said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Cue people defending "guilty unless proved innocent" as you seem to be doing.

Blame the BBC.

How is the BBC to blame? the report just says he has been charged, but gives no inference as to his guilt or innocence at all.

[LankyFreak]

Who's in charge, him or the devil...

[bigandclever]

Must be something in the World Darts Champion water, Phil Taylor got done for sexual assault many years back.

[Biggy Stardust]

bigandclever said:

Must be something in the World Darts Champion water,

Unless he's innocent, of course.

[Ian Geary]

nick30 said:

Terrible man but funny his name, BBC report so left as you like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/60946043

Cue people defending sexual assault.

Not going to defend sexual assult in any form, which can range from severe physical attacks down to inappropriate touching.

Not sure what this guy is accused of though?

/\ Checks article /\

BBC article said:

...had a mild stroke in November 2012...

Ahhh


But seriously, all allegations need to be properly investigated. Conviction rates for rape are shockingly bad, despite years of campaigning, so I hardly think evidence is there that the system is "rigged" towards women.

[emicen]

Electro1980 said:

Jenny Tailor said:

Even take the words..."Everything you say will be taken down in evidence and used against you...."
Used against me????
Is there anything that says "...used to prove you innocent."

Go and read the police caution before making silly statements.

Profile says United Kingdom but they’re (sort of) quoting the US’s miranda rights

An American Cop said:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?

[Pit Pony]

Ian Geary said:

nick30 said:

Terrible man but funny his name, BBC report so left as you like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/60946043

Cue people defending sexual assault.

Not going to defend sexual assult in any form, which can range from severe physical attacks down to inappropriate touching.

Not sure what this guy is accused of though?

/\ Checks article /\

BBC article said:

...had a mild stroke in November 2012...

Ahhh


But seriously, all allegations need to be properly investigated. Conviction rates for rape are shockingly bad, despite years of campaigning, so I hardly think evidence is there that the system is "rigged" towards women.

Having been on a jury, for sexual assault, it's clear that the public and 50% of the jury were female, try to do thier best by both parties.
If at the end if the day, it comes down to his word against hers, and neither are credible witnesses, the jury are forced to consider the impact of sending someone to prision who is in fact not guilty. And they have to balance that against the impact on the woman of seeing her attacker go free.

But at least it got to court.
I only wished someone could have explained our decision to both parties.