Sarah Everard: Met Police breached rights of vigil organiser
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I know there are threads on Sarah Everard already but I can't find them, also surprised no one else posted on this, so if they have apologies.
Seems the met police breached human rights by banning the Sarah Everade vigil. So were all gathering that were banned breach of human rights or just this one?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60707...
Seems the met police breached human rights by banning the Sarah Everade vigil. So were all gathering that were banned breach of human rights or just this one?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60707...
Electro1980 said:
1) There’s already a thread in SP&L
2) Was there any other protests the met tried to ban? If so, yes, that would also have been a breach of human rights.
Were there not protests that broken up in responce to BLM? 2) Was there any other protests the met tried to ban? If so, yes, that would also have been a breach of human rights.
In any case why is a protest different to any other gavering.
Don't the police have the right to ban protests, others have been banned in the past.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Loads of people on here were quite happy with the Met response and were sure the lady who got a lot of headlines was an activist who was stirring things up.
Not surprising there's barely a murmur from them when it turns out dragging her and other women away in handcuffs wasn't the best response after all.
WAs that lady not resisting arrest?Not surprising there's barely a murmur from them when it turns out dragging her and other women away in handcuffs wasn't the best response after all.
Should people not be arrested or put n handcuffs because they are women?
Electro1980 said:
1) There’s already a thread in SP&L
2) Was there any other protests the met tried to ban? If so, yes, that would also have been a breach of human rights.
You have completely misunderstood the ruling 2) Was there any other protests the met tried to ban? If so, yes, that would also have been a breach of human rights.
It was not about the protest/Vigil taking place or the banning of it, it’s that the Met failed to take into account the feelings of the organisers and document them in their decision making process to ban the protest
It doesn’t mean at all that if they had “considered” them that they would have allowed the protest, or because they had such beliefs the protest/vigil should have been allowed to take place regardless of any laws/regulations in place that forbade it
It’s purely about thought process of arriving at the decision
The judgement made no comment on the policing of the event at all
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Good optics.
Why ?If the Met’s lawyers believe that the ruling is wrong then they are as entitled to appeal the decision as any other body/person
It’s not about optics it’s about whether the civil court made the correct judgement in its interpretation of the Met’s application of criminal law/Covid regs
Judgements can have very far reaching repercussions and it is only right that contested decisions are reviewed in a higher court
Happens every day in courts up and down the land
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Because right now the reputation of the Met is as low as I can recall ever seeing it.
They may be simply doing what their lawyers say they should do and of course they're entitled to do so but it looks tone deaf.
Absolutely completely and totally irrelevant They may be simply doing what their lawyers say they should do and of course they're entitled to do so but it looks tone deaf.
It’s about the correct interpretation and application of the law
Civil court Judges have made a ruling based in their interpretation of Human rights legislation and its application to the decision making process in Policing operations dealing with public order and criminal matters
It’s pretty critical that the judgement is correct and if the authorities believe it’s not then absolutely it should be challenged
As I said on the other thread I expected this appeal
It’s got nothing at all to do with how much esteem you hold the Police in
Earthdweller said:
It’s got nothing at all to do with how much esteem you hold the Police in
I hold the Police in very high esteem as you couldn't pay me to do what the average officer has to do but the reputation and image of the Met is in the gutter right now with one appalling incident after another.Whatever the expectation it looks a tone deaf decision at a time when they need some good PR.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I hold the Police in very high esteem as you couldn't pay me to do what the average officer has to do but the reputation and image of the Met is in the gutter right now with one appalling incident after another.
Whatever the expectation it looks a tone deaf decision at a time when they need some good PR.
Sorry Whatever the expectation it looks a tone deaf decision at a time when they need some good PR.
But absolutely the police should not play to the court of public opinion
Either their actions were correct or the they weren’t
If they feel the court made the wrong decision they should not fail to challenge that because of “optics”
Policing without fear nor favour .. impartiality matters and decisions cannot be driven/influenced by a measure of their popularity
Earthdweller said:
Sorry
But absolutely the police should not play to the court of public opinion
Either their actions were correct or the they weren’t
If they feel the court made the wrong decision they should not fail to challenge that because of “optics”
Policing without fear nor favour .. impartiality matters and decisions cannot be driven/influenced by a measure of their popularity
I look forward to the day when policing is without fear or favour. But absolutely the police should not play to the court of public opinion
Either their actions were correct or the they weren’t
If they feel the court made the wrong decision they should not fail to challenge that because of “optics”
Policing without fear nor favour .. impartiality matters and decisions cannot be driven/influenced by a measure of their popularity
Would you please advise us all when that day arrives?
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