Sick of this green agenda?
Discussion
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one.
As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
My 2022 community charge thumped onto my doormat today, of course it’s gone up in price as per bloody usual More annoying is the leader of the Councils reasoning behind the increase, full of bulls
t about greenness, environmental challenges and such like. But not a word on where the money actually gets spent or projects for the year. Really infuriating.
t about greenness, environmental challenges and such like. But not a word on where the money actually gets spent or projects for the year. Really infuriating.It will bite them on the arse eventually, just wondering how long it will take.
It is a massive load of bks, and sadly, does the actual Environmental Movement no favours at all. Instead of promoting responsible usage of what we have, and educating public on the "GENUINE" credentials and benefits of some of the new technology that is available, they're foisting it upon us with an arbitrary cancel culture. Which means development of the new tech will cease, (why make it better when you have a captive market with no option) and many manufacturers will exploit it and profiteer. Many more consumers will suffer financially and in other ways. And let's be honest, the science on the routes they are going down is not 100% conclusive by any means and they have no idea about the economic cost of it all.
fk 'em, I say.
It is a massive load of b
ks, and sadly, does the actual Environmental Movement no favours at all. Instead of promoting responsible usage of what we have, and educating public on the "GENUINE" credentials and benefits of some of the new technology that is available, they're foisting it upon us with an arbitrary cancel culture. Which means development of the new tech will cease, (why make it better when you have a captive market with no option) and many manufacturers will exploit it and profiteer. Many more consumers will suffer financially and in other ways. And let's be honest, the science on the routes they are going down is not 100% conclusive by any means and they have no idea about the economic cost of it all. f
k 'em, I say. GroundZero said:
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one.
As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
DO NOT, and I cannot stress this enough, DO NOT DONATE TO THAT WEBSITE!!!As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
Hooky looking domain registration, very limited information on it as an entity, a VERY incomplete website that has been hastily knocked together in Wordpress. There is lots of inflammatory language on there taken straight from the Brexit playbook "LET’S TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR [insert thing here]"
I am all for fair and open debate. I am all for realistic energy goals, I do think we should continue to be generating power by renewables but realistically there is still a requirement for a-n-other form of power generation (nuclear is my preferred choice) this will get some traction because of the whole Russian invading Ukraine thing that is going on. Farage has recently used similar language and also started kicking the hornets nest over this, I tend to find if you are aligned that particularly hateful spunkbubble you are usually (a stopped clock is right twice a day after all) on the wrong side of history or just completely failed to understand the situation.
geeks said:
GroundZero said:
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one.
As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
DO NOT, and I cannot stress this enough, DO NOT DONATE TO THAT WEBSITE!!!As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
Hooky looking domain registration, very limited information on it as an entity, a VERY incomplete website that has been hastily knocked together in Wordpress. There is lots of inflammatory language on there taken straight from the Brexit playbook "LET’S TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR [insert thing here]"
I am all for fair and open debate. I am all for realistic energy goals, I do think we should continue to be generating power by renewables but realistically there is still a requirement for a-n-other form of power generation (nuclear is my preferred choice) this will get some traction because of the whole Russian invading Ukraine thing that is going on. Farage has recently used similar language and also started kicking the hornets nest over this, I tend to find if you are aligned that particularly hateful spunkbubble you are usually (a stopped clock is right twice a day after all) on the wrong side of history or just completely failed to understand the situation.
It all seems like stick, and no carrot.
Increased levy on this, increased tax on that, etc etc.
How about no VAT on insulation or solar panels, No VAT in improving existing buildings (none for new builds now which is hardly green!!), No VAT on electric scooters or bikes (and suitable non-Victorian rules for their use instead of shoehorning them into existing legislation) etc etc?
Encourage change rather than dictate change?
Increased levy on this, increased tax on that, etc etc.
How about no VAT on insulation or solar panels, No VAT in improving existing buildings (none for new builds now which is hardly green!!), No VAT on electric scooters or bikes (and suitable non-Victorian rules for their use instead of shoehorning them into existing legislation) etc etc?
Encourage change rather than dictate change?
geeks said:
DO NOT, and I cannot stress this enough, DO NOT DONATE TO THAT WEBSITE!!!
Hooky looking domain registration, very limited information on it as an entity, a VERY incomplete website that has been hastily knocked together in Wordpress. There is lots of inflammatory language on there taken straight from the Brexit playbook "LET’S TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR [insert thing here]"
I am all for fair and open debate. I am all for realistic energy goals, I do think we should continue to be generating power by renewables but realistically there is still a requirement for a-n-other form of power generation (nuclear is my preferred choice) this will get some traction because of the whole Russian invading Ukraine thing that is going on. Farage has recently used similar language and also started kicking the hornets nest over this, I tend to find if you are aligned that particularly hateful spunkbubble you are usually (a stopped clock is right twice a day after all) on the wrong side of history or just completely failed to understand the situation.
Hooky looking domain registration, very limited information on it as an entity, a VERY incomplete website that has been hastily knocked together in Wordpress. There is lots of inflammatory language on there taken straight from the Brexit playbook "LET’S TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR [insert thing here]"
I am all for fair and open debate. I am all for realistic energy goals, I do think we should continue to be generating power by renewables but realistically there is still a requirement for a-n-other form of power generation (nuclear is my preferred choice) this will get some traction because of the whole Russian invading Ukraine thing that is going on. Farage has recently used similar language and also started kicking the hornets nest over this, I tend to find if you are aligned that particularly hateful spunkbubble you are usually (a stopped clock is right twice a day after all) on the wrong side of history or just completely failed to understand the situation.
These are exactly the people to sort this green blob and Tory stupidity, I’m going to help in any way I can .. including financially..
Edited by Ivan stewart on Monday 7th March 14:59
crankedup5 said:
My 2022 community charge thumped onto my doormat today, of course it’s gone up in price as per bloody usual More annoying is the leader of the Councils reasoning behind the increase, full of bullst about greenness, environmental challenges and such like. But not a word on where the money actually gets spent or projects for the year. Really infuriating.
Now now cranked, as an elderly gentleman living off the patronage of the younger population whether you realise that or not not deciding to render you down for animal feed (I'm joking but it's a joke with a jag) you should be careful what you wish for in terms of societal profit.t about greenness, environmental challenges and such like. But not a word on where the money actually gets spent or projects for the year. Really infuriating.This thread's a hilarious rant fest but I'll not hold my breath expecting the activists to do much and I still haven't worked out if Ivan is a bigger piss taker than me.
My guess is we all have to pay more for everything and green is just an excuse to justify the tax added on top.
Reduce emissions easy travel a lot less like lockdown, downside most leisure industry go bankrupt job losses etc.
Go green drive less of not at all via petrol or diesel, downside less tax for government
Go vegan, dairy an cattle farmers Go bankrupt and we rely on imports of many things.
Green is just another tax
Reduce emissions easy travel a lot less like lockdown, downside most leisure industry go bankrupt job losses etc.
Go green drive less of not at all via petrol or diesel, downside less tax for government
Go vegan, dairy an cattle farmers Go bankrupt and we rely on imports of many things.
Green is just another tax
Green agenda is populated with the sort of people you get in the charity industry.
Yes they want to be doing something positive but a lot of it is just a nice paid job. And they swallow up a lot of the contributions to lead
a nice middle class life.
If only there was a virtual punch option on facebook for the person that setup a just giving page for donations to DEC on behalf of grandma regarding Ukraine.
Why cant their 'friends' just go to the DEC page like everyone else?
Yes they want to be doing something positive but a lot of it is just a nice paid job. And they swallow up a lot of the contributions to lead
a nice middle class life.
If only there was a virtual punch option on facebook for the person that setup a just giving page for donations to DEC on behalf of grandma regarding Ukraine.
Why cant their 'friends' just go to the DEC page like everyone else?
rampageturke said:
Didn't you all get the message? Your rights to protest are being pruned, and everyone loved that idea when it was the woke middle aged uni tutor doing it on a road somewhere probably nowhere near you. Now the shoe is on the other foot?
Wibble, I got the message, I've long been of the view that some of the government's plans to suppress rights to protest, online anonymity etc are extremely draconian. I could go back to Theresa May in the home office and further back. Priti Patel is just one of many to annoy me. Snooper's charter etc didn't get many of the nodding dogs annoyed. But all of a sudden they've noticed due to environmental views, fk the fk off with extra bells on as they're slow learners and I don't agree with their agenda.I'm middle aged, I went to uni, I'm probably what you'd consider woke, and I'm far away from what you're accusing the likes of me of. But wouldn't it be nice if we were all stereotypes.
GroundZero said:
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one.
As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
The perfect Turkey votes for Christmas decision.As politicians continue to ignore growing public opinions on any particular issue, a populist movement surely comes alive to meet the challenge of giving a voice to the silent majority.
This time it is the green agenda, which didn't seem to make much of an advert within the tory manifesto during the previous election.
Whereby many would argue that the current government after winning by a landslide have no mandate to impose such a heavy agenda on to everyone.
Yet they push ahead with it and are forcing hardship on to many whilst having no joined up thinking on a solution to the CO2 targets they have set themselves.
https://votepowernotpoverty.uk/
Anybody else in favour of putting this issue for the people to vote up on? (or are you too scared to have public opinion reaslised?)
What's the betting Farage thought of it....
Oh... wait a moment....
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19973064.nigel-f...
Let us damage our country and our world even more, just so he can stay in the public eye.
It is truly, utterly pathetic, and shame on any of you that fall for this crap.
GetCarter said:
The perfect Turkey votes for Christmas decision.
What's the betting Farage thought of it....
Oh... wait a moment....
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19973064.nigel-f...
Let us damage our country and our world even more, just so he can stay in the public eye.
It is truly, utterly pathetic, and shame on any of you that fall for this crap.
....oh the utter irony of 'The Nationalist' having a go at Farage!What's the betting Farage thought of it....
Oh... wait a moment....
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19973064.nigel-f...
Let us damage our country and our world even more, just so he can stay in the public eye.
It is truly, utterly pathetic, and shame on any of you that fall for this crap.
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