ULEZ to cover all of Greater London by end of next year

[julian987R]

London’s ultra-low emission zone will be extended to the whole of Greater London by the end of next year under plans set out by the mayor, Sadiq Khant

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/03/04/sa...

[Countdown]

Speaking as somebody who used to visit London 2/3 times per month over the last 25 years, the quality of air has improved massively.

However I tend to visit only the centre bits (Zone 1), I'm not sure how bad it is outside that area.

[Walter Sobchak]

While I agree with it in central London and don’t really object to it up to the North/South circulars either, I think this is going to prove a lot more unpopular in outer London where cars are driven and used more regularly, and not everyone has the money to upgrade to a compliant vehicle nor wants to rely on public transport.
It’s in a consultation phase at the moment but I expect he’s just going to implement it anyway as this looks more like a cash grab to try and plug the TFL black hole than actually wanting to improve air quality.

[Camelot1971]

Hopefully people will either not drive or have compliant cars, and it will cost TFL more to run the scheme than they take from the tax. Will sort out if this is actually about air quality or about revenue raising (which a lot of people think it is).

[sugerbear]

It’s the end of black bogeys !!!

[AllyBee]

Walter Sobchak said:

While I agree with it in central London and don’t really object to it up to the North/South circulars either, I think this is going to prove a lot more unpopular in outer London where cars are driven and used more regularly, and not everyone has the money to upgrade to a compliant vehicle nor wants to rely on public transport.
It’s in a consultation phase at the moment but I expect he’s just going to implement it anyway as this looks more like a cash grab to try and plug the TFL black hole than actually wanting to improve air quality.

The proposed expansion covers a lot of areas where people simply cannot afford to upgrade their car/van to a ULEZ compliant one, especially when you factor in engery increases, inflation etc.

[Armchair Expert]

AllyBee said:

Walter Sobchak said:

While I agree with it in central London and don’t really object to it up to the North/South circulars either, I think this is going to prove a lot more unpopular in outer London where cars are driven and used more regularly, and not everyone has the money to upgrade to a compliant vehicle nor wants to rely on public transport.
It’s in a consultation phase at the moment but I expect he’s just going to implement it anyway as this looks more like a cash grab to try and plug the TFL black hole than actually wanting to improve air quality.

The proposed expansion covers a lot of areas where people simply cannot afford to upgrade their car/van to a ULEZ compliant one, especially when you factor in engery increases, inflation etc.

I have whinged on here before how unfair the charging zones are, especially the conjestion charge zone.

Apart from that is a new Bentley Continenal really less poluting then a 20 year old Ford Fiesta 1.3 for example? Yet the gas guzzling £220,000 car owners have to pay only £155 road tax while the Fiesta owner has to pay £250 as well as the ULEZ!

Now it appears work place parking charges are coming too.

Edited by Armchair Expert on Sunday 6th March 05:19

[JagLover]

Walter Sobchak said:

While I agree with it in central London and don’t really object to it up to the North/South circulars either, I think this is going to prove a lot more unpopular in outer London where cars are driven and used more regularly, and not everyone has the money to upgrade to a compliant vehicle nor wants to rely on public transport.
It’s in a consultation phase at the moment but I expect he’s just going to implement it anyway as this looks more like a cash grab to try and plug the TFL black hole than actually wanting to improve air quality.

I used to live in the outer suburbs and this basically. There isn't any tube network (in the southern suburbs at any rate) and most people drive. Many also don't have that much spare cash to buy a new car.

[Walter Sobchak]

JagLover said:

I used to live in the outer suburbs and this basically. There isn't any tube network (in the southern suburbs at any rate) and most people drive. Many also don't have that much spare cash to buy a new car.

That’s how I feel about it too, I also don’t think air quality is as big of an issue in outer London and while there are obviously bad areas for traffic that isn’t AS bad as it is within the North/South circulars either, I’d expect there to be more objections and perhaps another candidate promising to repeal this come election time if Sadie Kahn does bring this in.
I live just outside the proposed new area in Surrey, one of my cars is exempt so it’s not a huge issue for me but it’s something I still don’t agree with, thankfully I’m moving further out to Sussex/Hampshire soon, don’t enjoy living anywhere near London anymore!.

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[Jiebo]

JagLover said:

I used to live in the outer suburbs and this basically. There isn't any tube network (in the southern suburbs at any rate) and most people drive. Many also don't have that much spare cash to buy a new car.

1. The southern suburbs have a very extensive overground network.

2. Nobody is asking anyone to buy a new car, they need to change to a 16 year old petrol car.

Each time this is discussed on any platform, everyone is suddenly so concerned about the few poorer people who will be impacted. There was a very generous scrappage scheme earlier that is still running for those on benefits for this reason.
This expansion will significantly improve the air quality, and I for one couldn’t care less about the tiny minority that will be impacted, as the positives far outweighs the cons.

Most of the time the people who oppose this don’t even live in London.

[272BHP]

I wonder how much it costs to get any building work on your house in central London?

If someone is getting some major work done with visits over a month by a number of white vans etc can you imagine the resultant bill? the tradesman have no where to park, and are running up huge bills with their vehicles.

[valiant]

272BHP said:

I wonder how much it costs to get any building work on your house in central London?

If someone is getting some major work done with visits over a month by a number of white vans etc can you imagine the resultant bill? the tradesman have no where to park, and are running up huge bills with their vehicles.

Nothing new there. Parking has always been in issue and if it’s a permit parking scheme then you simply issue visitor permits and if their van is not compliant then I’m sure it’s factored into the quote before you sign on the line. Judging by the amount of residential work going on, trades have been making out like bandits recently and it’s a wonder they’re not turning up in new RangeRovers let alone a shiny new Transit. Seeing more and more in electric vans now as well. (Don’t mind if I plug it in, mate?)

On major commercial projects, builders tend to tube it in with the rest of us (dragging their wheelie tool box behind them).

[Armchair Expert]

Jiebo said:

1. The southern suburbs have a very extensive overground network.

2. Nobody is asking anyone to buy a new car, they need to change to a 16 year old petrol car.

Each time this is discussed on any platform, everyone is suddenly so concerned about the few poorer people who will be impacted. There was a very generous scrappage scheme earlier that is still running for those on benefits for this reason.
This expansion will significantly improve the air quality, and I for one couldn’t care less about the tiny minority that will be impacted, as the positives far outweighs the cons.

Most of the time the people who oppose this don’t even live in London.

Well obviously some people are nicer then you.

I am sure there are lots of people on benifits who can upgrade their cars

Most people might not live in London but many people need to go to London (or do you not pay the charge when visting) in any case many other towns are copying London

By how much will it improve the air quality? Most cars are ULEZ compliant. Sadiq Kharn has said he wants to reduce car use by 35%, needs to do more then expand the ULEZ zone f he wants to achieve that. Maybe he could ban poloticians from using cars, there were reports he uses 3 cars to take his dog for a walk

Your not Sadiq Kharn are you Jiebo or Andy Burnham?

Edited by Armchair Expert on Sunday 6th March 14:33

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[donkmeister]

JagLover said:

I used to live in the outer suburbs and this basically. There isn't any tube network (in the southern suburbs at any rate) and most people drive. Many also don't have that much spare cash to buy a new car.

This. A lot of people don't realise that much of "Greater London" is nothing like central London.

I spent some of my formative years in the boroughs of Kingston upon Thames and Richmond, and have since had friends in Enfield and Barnet. Those sorts of places simply don't have the infrastructure to make public transport suitable for every journey. Heading into London, easy... But that's the same for most towns within 50 miles or so of London!

[Armchair Expert]

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[SlimJim16v]

Public transport is great if you want to go from outer London into central London. Not very good if you want to go across outer London.