Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)
Discussion
Turbobloke said:
dickymint said:
Well that's it then the science is now officially settled forget about the 97% we now have more than 99.9%................
https://phys.org/news/2021-10-humans-climate.html
HT to the "science" thread and it's gatekeeper of all sciency things bow So I guess that thread can now be closed....but wait we still have the politics Vol 7 about to open anyday now. Stand by your beds hehe
Climate politics is definitely all over, it's got people COPping abour all over the place in private jets.https://phys.org/news/2021-10-humans-climate.html
HT to the "science" thread and it's gatekeeper of all sciency things bow So I guess that thread can now be closed....but wait we still have the politics Vol 7 about to open anyday now. Stand by your beds hehe
Excellent article, as long as nobody considers logical fallacies (argumentum ad populum mixed with argumentum ad verecundiam). Politicians will love it, they have 'certainty' and moreover they have a rock solid definite source of / target for blame transfer when the carbon hits the fan.
mko9 said:
Turbobloke said:
dickymint said:
Well that's it then the science is now officially settled forget about the 97% we now have more than 99.9%................
https://phys.org/news/2021-10-humans-climate.html
HT to the "science" thread and it's gatekeeper of all sciency things bow So I guess that thread can now be closed....but wait we still have the politics Vol 7 about to open anyday now. Stand by your beds hehe
Climate politics is definitely all over, it's got people COPping abour all over the place in private jets.https://phys.org/news/2021-10-humans-climate.html
HT to the "science" thread and it's gatekeeper of all sciency things bow So I guess that thread can now be closed....but wait we still have the politics Vol 7 about to open anyday now. Stand by your beds hehe
Excellent article, as long as nobody considers logical fallacies (argumentum ad populum mixed with argumentum ad verecundiam). Politicians will love it, they have 'certainty' and moreover they have a rock solid definite source of / target for blame transfer when the carbon hits the fan.
Beyond this, there would appear to be so many serious issues with the 'research' that it makes one wonder what their motivation was.
Outstanding from Vol 6:
Willing to put my money where my mouth is too. Up for it?
Every decade has been warmer than the previous in the UAH data so far, but what goes up must come down at some point right?
You could win one back for the cycle-ists who lost bets based on the 2010s recently
Same offer to turbobloke
(proceeds to air ambulance etc)
kerplunk said:
PRTVR said:
My guess is it will be warmer, given that the data is in the hands of people who want it to be warmer .
My guess is it will be warmer in the UAH data too which can't be alleged is 'in the hands of people who want it to be warmer'. Willing to put my money where my mouth is too. Up for it?
Every decade has been warmer than the previous in the UAH data so far, but what goes up must come down at some point right?
You could win one back for the cycle-ists who lost bets based on the 2010s recently
(proceeds to air ambulance etc)
Edited by kerplunk on Wednesday 20th October 12:58
What offer? Is it some sort of link to predictions from other people?
Hot or cold? The same skill as tossing a coin?
Contact the predictors - but consider staying away from anything pro-agw requiring more skill than tossing.
Best of luck to the keen folks with second generation smart meters, should the brown-outs and black-outs materialise. IIRC, industry takes the first hit.
Hot or cold? The same skill as tossing a coin?
Contact the predictors - but consider staying away from anything pro-agw requiring more skill than tossing.
Andrew Montford said:
Without any means of storing electricity in bulk, grid managers will be forced to switch down appliances like heat pumps and EV chargers when the wind doesn’t blow. In a long wind lull, homes will have to be switched off entirely. Second-generation smart meters, currently being installed across the country, will allow the grid to control appliances remotely.
Entirely likely given the quantitative analysis from 2 x Oxon Profs + 1 other, as posted on PH recently, that the cost of keeping the lights on for 10 days of dull calm is £3trillion. Assuming there was enough electricity spare beforehand to charge up the £3tn kit in the first place.Best of luck to the keen folks with second generation smart meters, should the brown-outs and black-outs materialise. IIRC, industry takes the first hit.
El stovey said:
It’s hilarious looking back at old PHs climate threads to see how wrong all our PH ‘experts’ have been.
Straw is doing well atm.The only hilarity arising from experts in error on PH relate to pro-AGW pro-IPCC types with hilarious predictions on non-vanishing arctic summer ice, absence of winter snow, tropical troposphere temperature errors, New York not under water, etc.
The predictionsof solar-eruptivity related cooling from Landscheidt, Abdusamatov and Archibald have approx 10 to 30 years to run (2030 - 2050); your hilarious, over-egged, baselessly smug, serially biased, premature adjudication is showing (again).
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
It’s hilarious looking back at old PHs climate threads to see how wrong all our PH ‘experts’ have been.
The only hilaroty arising from experts in error on PH relate to pro-AGW pro-IPCC types with hilarious predictions on non-vanishing arctic summer ice, absence of winter snow, tropical troposphere temperature errors, New York not under water, etc.The predictionsof solar-erutivity related cooling from Landscheidt, Abdusamatov and Archibald have approx 10 to 30 years to run (2030 - 2050); your hilarious, over-egged, baselessly smug, serially biased, premature adjudication is showing (again).
All YOUR predictions on here turned out wrong. Numerous claims by YOU that rapid cooling due to solar activity was going to happen over the years, none turned out to be correct.
Now you just post disguised spam from advocacy sites and continue to misrepresent genuine experts.
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
It’s hilarious looking back at old PHs climate threads to see how wrong all our PH ‘experts’ have been.
The only hilaroty arising from experts in error on PH relate to pro-AGW pro-IPCC types with hilarious predictions on non-vanishing arctic summer ice, absence of winter snow, tropical troposphere temperature errors, New York not under water, etc.The predictionsof solar-erutivity related cooling from Landscheidt, Abdusamatov and Archibald have approx 10 to 30 years to run (2030 - 2050); your hilarious, over-egged, baselessly smug, serially biased, premature adjudication is showing (again).
Nobody on here made predictions of global cooling, some have posted the predictions of cooling from Abdusamatov, Archibald and Landscheidt, when I've done so I've usually said that we must keep looking at the data to see what's happening, up to the point of sufficient repetition. Faith, true belief; they belong with agw.
Others have aligned with non-snow, New York under water, etc. Ho Ho Ho.
turbobloke said:
Awesome guff.
Nobody on here made predictions of global cooling, some have posted the predictions of cooling from Abdusamatov, Archibald and Landscheidt, when I've done so I've usually said that we must keep looking at the data to see what's happening, up to the point of sufficient repetition. Faith, true belief; they belong with agw.
Others have aligned with non-snow, New York under water, etc. Ho Ho Ho.
That’s just dishonest. You made those predictions many times on many different occasions. Nobody on here made predictions of global cooling, some have posted the predictions of cooling from Abdusamatov, Archibald and Landscheidt, when I've done so I've usually said that we must keep looking at the data to see what's happening, up to the point of sufficient repetition. Faith, true belief; they belong with agw.
Others have aligned with non-snow, New York under water, etc. Ho Ho Ho.
Now you’re just trying to deflect by talking about things lie, no snow which nobody on here has said will happen.
On Tuesday 8th August 2017 in Vol 4 of this thread I said:
I usually remember to add a comment that we need to keep looking at the data to get a better idea of where things are heading. See below...
Meanwhile, although New York hasn't gone sub-aqua as yet, contrary to several agw-based predictions to that effect, and summer arctic ocean ice hasn't disappeared (etc) we should still panic as per Gretapolitik.Is there any increased optimism compared to this, frm The Guardian last month:
Join the AA ffs.
Pessimistic Article said:
COP26 climate talks will not fulfil aims of Paris agreement, key players warn. Vital United Nations climate talks, billed as one of the last chances to stave off climate breakdown, will not produce the breakthrough needed to fulfil the aspiration of the Paris agreement, key players in the talks have conceded.
Climate Breakdown Join the AA ffs.
turbobloke said:
Is there any increased optimism compared to this, frm The Guardian last month:
Join the AA ffs.
No point they can't jump start EV's Pessimistic Article said:
COP26 climate talks will not fulfil aims of Paris agreement, key players warn. Vital United Nations climate talks, billed as one of the last chances to stave off climate breakdown, will not produce the breakthrough needed to fulfil the aspiration of the Paris agreement, key players in the talks have conceded.
Climate Breakdown Join the AA ffs.
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