Can we talk about Australia for a bit
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According to the Beeb, Queensland has imposed a snap 3-day lockdown, after 6 new Covid cases were found.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5803929...
The military are now enforcing these lockdowns.. anyone else fail to see how this can work out at all for the Australian people? Locking down entire States due to literally a handful of cases, I just fail to see how Oz will recover from this. I know we’ve not had stellar performance in dealing with the pandemic but at least a majority of our population has immunity, either through vaccines or previous infection by accepting that people [i]will[/] catch Covid, that is a given. As such, we’re in a position now whereby we seem to be able to go about our daily lives, restriction free, by and large.
I fear Australia is prolonging their road to recovery by this exceptionally strict approach to a pandemic. Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-5803929...
The military are now enforcing these lockdowns.. anyone else fail to see how this can work out at all for the Australian people? Locking down entire States due to literally a handful of cases, I just fail to see how Oz will recover from this. I know we’ve not had stellar performance in dealing with the pandemic but at least a majority of our population has immunity, either through vaccines or previous infection by accepting that people [i]will[/] catch Covid, that is a given. As such, we’re in a position now whereby we seem to be able to go about our daily lives, restriction free, by and large.
I fear Australia is prolonging their road to recovery by this exceptionally strict approach to a pandemic. Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know.
They have not been doing what the UK has been doing, and have had a totally different strategy so is not really comparable. eg. The triggers for historic lockdowns have been the daily case figures for single *wards* in some UK cities, but as a result things have been more open there than here until now.
The vax roll out there is also very very bumpy - earlier today 'by Christmas' was a 70% target.
If the UK had treated covid like auz had (but with UK £ support), coupled with a decent vax roll out, you could argue there is a best case 'how to deal with the pandemic' scenario somewhere in the mix.
The vax roll out there is also very very bumpy - earlier today 'by Christmas' was a 70% target.
If the UK had treated covid like auz had (but with UK £ support), coupled with a decent vax roll out, you could argue there is a best case 'how to deal with the pandemic' scenario somewhere in the mix.
My brother lives in Queensland. He moans about these snap lockdowns as they are (obviously) annoying. However, he also says that in between the snap lockdowns life is normal and they have little or no restrictions. Overall, it sounds like they have had it easy compared to the rest of the western world. They have felt a tourism impact but so has everywhere and other than that the impact has been little as the lockdowns have mostly be short and sharp (if you ignore the extended Melbourne ones). Certainly where he is in Queensland Covid is something they have seen on the news but really expenrienced,
Seems like you need to let nature deal with it with some management, all the lockdowns seem to do is elongate a pandemic , the answer seems to be herd immunity and vaccine while protecting the vulnerable. Looks like Australia is going to have this for a long time unless they unlock and get it over with.
Australia and NZ are utterly f
ked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable.
If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
ked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable. If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
Vanden Saab said:
Australia and NZ are utterly fked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable.
If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
What happens then if they continue with their strict protocols of keeping Covid away until they vaccinate their population? Let's say they ride it for another year to get all of their vulnerable jabbed, surely then they will have seen it through? ked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable. If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
Vanden Saab said:
Australia and NZ are utterly fked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable.
If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
Uk COVID deaths, 130000, NZ 26.ked. At some point they will have to open up and covid will go through their even fully vaccinated population like a dose of salts taking those who will die regardless of the vaccination with it. I would not be surprised if their final death toll is far higher than any other countries in the world. Whereas we may well be finished as far as deaths and hospitalizations are concerned they have not even started yet. All they have done is to delay the inevitable. If the Florida variant does not get them another even more infectious variant will.
I’m happy with the close down until vaccinated approach
Australia may be able to isolate more effectively than, say, England. England may get better results, at the end of the day, through vaccination first. Australia may be able to wait it out, vaccination wise, than most other countries. Like how Sweden went all "let it spread", there are many different ways various countries have tackled it and as much as you might think that your tribe in your country/country/state/whatever has handled it perfectly (or would have if they were in power) there's still a lot of blind luck and unplanned interventions occurring.
Edited by rodericb on Saturday 31st July 23:10
Part of the difference seems to be because things have been reasonably normal down there over the last 15 months there’s no urgency to get vaccinated. In the UK things have been miserable for the entire pandemic so most normal people are eager to get their vaccine so we can get back to normal.
Living here in Australia, the media is by far and away the absolute biggest joke. The amount of scaremongering is out of control. Every single time a case emerges, it's projected as 'the one'. A young lady in her thirties passed away due to covid and this was all the ammunition needed to implore younger people that they are at a high risk of covid. Zero critical thinking.
Victoria have mandatory mask wearing even outdoors for christ sake, despite absolutely zero evidence of efficacy. Each premier seems insistent on out doing their peers when they take the daily stage for their press briefings, no one ever questions them. Nsw managed over 100,000 tests to find 170 cases, how many of those could be false positives?
As for international borders, I'd be amazed if they are open in another 12 months time. The vaccination rollout has been a total disaster from the get go.
By and large, Australia has fared incredibly well and life has been mostly normal, winter always seems to bring a few more cases but I'd honestly like to be able to leave the country at some point soon. They are still deeming it necessary for vaccinated people to quarantine on return, which will surely deter even the most avid holidaymaker from coming here?
Victoria have mandatory mask wearing even outdoors for christ sake, despite absolutely zero evidence of efficacy. Each premier seems insistent on out doing their peers when they take the daily stage for their press briefings, no one ever questions them. Nsw managed over 100,000 tests to find 170 cases, how many of those could be false positives?
As for international borders, I'd be amazed if they are open in another 12 months time. The vaccination rollout has been a total disaster from the get go.
By and large, Australia has fared incredibly well and life has been mostly normal, winter always seems to bring a few more cases but I'd honestly like to be able to leave the country at some point soon. They are still deeming it necessary for vaccinated people to quarantine on return, which will surely deter even the most avid holidaymaker from coming here?
anonymous said:
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This. In Spades.By the law of something or other, we were destined to agree on something. One day. That day has arrived
To add, if they had got to 30% - ie " the vunerable" - that might have been sufficient, given what we now know about Delta and vaccine sterilising herd immunity (ie good for a few months, then you will catch it, but are unlikely to need hospital)
Edited by johnboy1975 on Sunday 1st August 00:19
RiseUp said:
The vaccination rollout has been a total disaster from the get go.
More people fully vaccinated in Australia than in New Zealand (you're a Jacinda fan yeah?) or South Korea: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinationsrodericb said:
RiseUp said:
The vaccination rollout has been a total disaster from the get go.
More people fully vaccinated in Australia than in New Zealand (you're a Jacinda fan yeah?) or South Korea: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinationsWho said I was a Jacinda fan?
There’s certainly been complacency, quite understandable as life has pretty much been normal for so long, with the odd isolated lockdown.
That complacency has bitten Aus on the arse with this latest outbreak. Shortage of Pfizer jabs, combined with scaremongering by the media over the AZ and a whole bunch of wokes, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxers means I predict this outbreak is likely uncontrollable now. There’s not enough compliance, I think this lockdown (in Sydney for now and inevitably others to follow) is going to end up staying until vax rates catch up. This outbreak is particularly bad because 1. Delta and 2. It’s kicked off in areas of very low compliance and the daily numbers aren’t getting any better.
Australia did miss the chance to be a shining example of how to handle this if they’d pushed the vax rollout before it became a crisis. Of course the geography helps, but Aus was well ahead of the game, quite smug and is now lagging and looking a bit silly.
That complacency has bitten Aus on the arse with this latest outbreak. Shortage of Pfizer jabs, combined with scaremongering by the media over the AZ and a whole bunch of wokes, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxers means I predict this outbreak is likely uncontrollable now. There’s not enough compliance, I think this lockdown (in Sydney for now and inevitably others to follow) is going to end up staying until vax rates catch up. This outbreak is particularly bad because 1. Delta and 2. It’s kicked off in areas of very low compliance and the daily numbers aren’t getting any better.
Australia did miss the chance to be a shining example of how to handle this if they’d pushed the vax rollout before it became a crisis. Of course the geography helps, but Aus was well ahead of the game, quite smug and is now lagging and looking a bit silly.
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