Sir Ed Davey - Lib. Dem Leader

[Carl_Manchester]

Lets hope he can rescue the burning ship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53933470

[rover 623gsi]

Shame he didn’t win last time around - would have been miles better than Swinson

[CambsBill]

Wow, they kept that low key - I'd completely forgotten they had a leadership race running.

That said, I agree he'll make a better job of it than Jo Swinson. At least we're less likely to see busses emblazoned with "Ed Davey's Lib Dems"

[LimaDelta]

Hmm, a straight, white, male Oxbridge graduate. How very ‘progressive’.

[Johnnytheboy]

Oxbridge aside, he always struck me as a bit dense.

[Graveworm]

He's my MP. not my politics ,but I have met him a few times. He seemed pretty bright to me. He actually persuaded me to vote for him, last time out, as the lesser of three evils.

[s2art]

He is still banging on about rejoining the EU. If he doesnt move on he wont do well. In a few months time the EU membership issue will become a complete irrelevance.

[Derek Smith]

s2art said:

He is still banging on about rejoining the EU. If he doesnt move on he wont do well. In a few months time the EU membership issue will become a complete irrelevance.

I doubt it. When the result of the negotiations are revealed, and as a fait acompli, it will be headline material. It will be the main thread on NPE. Brexit is the next big thing. It will trump Trump and Covid.

If Cummins has had anything to do with this - I know, if - then it is likely to be a hard brexit and the full implications of what we've done will come home to roost. I assume that many people will be unprepared for the fallout.

My theory is that Johnson is making a hash of his response to Covid so that he can blame it for the financial impact of brexit.

Even if - that word again - we leave with a deal with the EU, and we are insulated from some of the financial problems, there will be a lot of drama about betrayal and such. Brexit is a no win situation. The tories will have to deal with the fallout and their main way of deflecting blame is to blame someone.

[A Winner Is You]

I don't think the members really understood what they were voting for. The most democratic option would be to have a second, confirmatory vote, just to check it is the direction they wish to proceed, and allow those who were too young to vote in the previous contest to have their say. After all, what's wrong with more democracy?

[Murph7355]

LimaDelta said:

Hmm, a straight, white, male Oxbridge graduate. How very ‘progressive’.

They weren't exactly overflowing with any candidates for the race nobody likely wanted to win!

OK, so over 7 of their 11 MPs are female...but one of them is an outcast from League of Gentlemen and makes that show look sane, and another appears to have abusive skeletons in the closet. Not sure I recall ever seeing the others in any capacity.

The other 4 all fit your description. And Tim Farron has already had one crack at the whip and did swimmingly.

Derek Smith said:

s2art said:

He is still banging on about rejoining the EU. If he doesnt move on he wont do well. In a few months time the EU membership issue will become a complete irrelevance.

I doubt it. When the result of the negotiations are revealed, and as a fait acompli, it will be headline material. It will be the main thread on NPE. Brexit is the next big thing. It will trump Trump and Covid.

If Cummins has had anything to do with this - I know, if - then it is likely to be a hard brexit and the full implications of what we've done will come home to roost. I assume that many people will be unprepared for the fallout.

My theory is that Johnson is making a hash of his response to Covid so that he can blame it for the financial impact of brexit.

Even if - that word again - we leave with a deal with the EU, and we are insulated from some of the financial problems, there will be a lot of drama about betrayal and such. Brexit is a no win situation. The tories will have to deal with the fallout and their main way of deflecting blame is to blame someone.

If you think the LibDem approach on the EU is any way, shape or form a means for them to get into power, I think you've started smoking the strong stuff Derek. Just look at the last election.

And looking at your "theory" I'm actually pretty convinced you're smoking something potent.

The LibDems need a totally different angle. They were, IMO, reasonably good in coalition and need to build on some of that - fiscal prudence for one. They effectively have to start again, and carping on about Brexit is not the way to do that. Build something that will get more than a kick in the bawbag and a poke in the eye in a GE. Get numbers. Get some good quality, less barmy MPs in your fold. And get some policies that major on all the items everyone else seems to be forgetting/not taking seriously enough at present.

By that time, Brexit will have happened and things will be evolving....and if you really think it wise, edge in that you'd consider rejoining the EU if you must...but if they make it a central pillar they will be lucky to keep returning even 11 MPs.

[anonymoususer]

I feel sorry for Layla I think there should be more high profile women in parliament
Ed is very down to earth and probably one of the least privilidged MP's

[Eric Mc]

CambsBill said:

Wow, they kept that low key - I'd completely forgotten they existed

Edited for accuracy.

[dandarez]

anonymoususer said:

I feel sorry for Layla I think there should be more high profile women in parliament
Ed is very down to earth and probably one of the least privilidged MP's

Ed's already promised her (Dep Leader?) a 'big role' in the party.

So thereby guaranteeing their continuing failure.

[Carl_Manchester]

anonymoususer said:

I feel sorry for Layla I think there should be more high profile women in parliament
Ed is very down to earth and probably one of the least privilidged MP's

It is a relief to me that Ed won because i followed Layla's campaign on Twitter - sadly, it was a 'Yellow Momentum' love in.

She was unable to define what 'radical progressive' meant to a moderate Liberal base and her stance on a variety of other issues on her platform such as Universal Basic Income, unwavering tone-deaf approval for 'refugees' whilst the Manchester bombing case was reaching its summit, desire for closer ties with the open borders, 60% tax, Green party all played well on the Twitter reach-around but set alarm bells ringing elsewhere because she should not outline how all these buzz-words fitted together and remain true to the Limehouse Declaration, Yellow Book or, the party.

We knew more about her sexual orientation than how Layla would shape Liberal policy which is so sorely needed at the minute, Liberal values are a total political vacuum at the minute in the U.K within the House of commons.

Her main positive appeared the ability to get on the telly and in the Guardian for a good old moan about something rather than setting policy and opposing policies which are not in the Liberal interest.

Total and complete silence for example on Liberal issues such as the Lockdown and the affront to free speech that the SNP are trying to push through up North because: 'Tories'.

[dandarez]

Eric Mc said:

CambsBill said:

Wow, they kept that low key - I'd completely forgotten they existed

Edited for accuracy.

[A Winner Is You]

dandarez said:

anonymoususer said:

I feel sorry for Layla I think there should be more high profile women in parliament
Ed is very down to earth and probably one of the least privilidged MP's

Ed's already promised her (Dep Leader?) a 'big role' in the party.

So thereby guaranteeing their continuing failure.

I'll say one thing for Layla - she doesn't pull her punches.

[dandarez]

A Winner Is You said:

dandarez said:

anonymoususer said:

I feel sorry for Layla I think there should be more high profile women in parliament
Ed is very down to earth and probably one of the least privilidged MP's

Ed's already promised her (Dep Leader?) a 'big role' in the party.

So thereby guaranteeing their continuing failure.

I'll say one thing for Layla - she doesn't pull her punches.

Naughty.
But true.

[ClaphamGT3]

I suspect their stance of keeping EU membership front and centre of their policy priorities is smart. It should play well in 3-4 years time at the next GE when the withdrawal impact is beginning to bite and they should pick up a strong LG position along the way. Whist electoral outcomes 3 years out are guesswork, it's not improbable that neither party takes an overall majority in the next GE. It's very likely that the price that the Lib Dems will exact for entering into any coalition Govt in future is a second referendum on EU membership.

[Vanden Saab]

Guido on the money as always...



https://order-order.com/2020/08/27/davey-wins-libd...

[wc98]

Murph7355 said:

The LibDems need a totally different angle.

i think if they actually became liberal and democratic it might be a good start. having a genuine water melon in ed davey as their leader might not be a good idea. while most politicians are indeed hypocrites and liars it's never as blatant as those championing greenwash for the little people whilst they carry on regardless. ymmv.