Bank stress tests - anyone know who failed ?
Bank stress tests - anyone know who failed ?
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anonymous-user

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84 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Mikeyboy

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265 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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results in 25 mins (5pm BST) I believe

Apache

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314 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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so, what happens if one fails?

Thom987

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196 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Anglo and Bank of Ireland passed these tests last year so I wouldnt read too much in to the results.

Kermit power

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243 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Thom987 said:
Anglo and Bank of Ireland passed these tests last year so I wouldnt read too much in to the results.
They were saying on the news this morning that it's more stringent rules and a different agency running the tests this year. Whether that will make a difference, who knows?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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anonymous said:
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10 Banks expected to fail but doubt any immediate impact for they have time to sort out their balance sheets.

5potTurbo

13,686 posts

198 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Thom987 said:
Anglo and Bank of Ireland passed these tests last year so I wouldnt read too much in to the results.
hehe

Quite.

I was surprised to read yesterday that Helaba pulled out of the stress test when Anglo & BoI passed previously!

Mikeyboy

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265 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Thom987 said:
Anglo and Bank of Ireland passed these tests last year so I wouldnt read too much in to the results.
It does depend massively on the rules.
Though a few over the years have tended to look like
"If a man falls over in your lobby and sues you, will you survive?"

Soveriegn debt is included in this round I hope

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Flashing across the wire now

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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8 Banks fail, Italian & Portuguese banks pass.

5 in Spain, 2 Greece, I in Austria

Mermaid

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Friday 15th July 2011
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Wurls said:
Last time the Oirish Banks passed and 2 weeks later went tits up. The other way to look at it is 8 fails out of 90. 9% of Banks in Europe are not sufficiently capitalised. That's not the best news.
20 Banks would have failed without the April capital raising.

Puggit

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278 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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The speed that Santander snapped up the British banks is highly suspect to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they are on the list of failures. Completely as a lay person!

Mermaid

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201 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Puggit said:
The speed that Santander snapped up the British banks is highly suspect to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they are on the list of failures. Completely as a lay person!
scratchchin
Abbey did have decent Tier 1 capital.

Riff Raff

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225 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Puggit said:
The speed that Santander snapped up the British banks is highly suspect to me, I wouldn't be surprised if they are on the list of failures. Completely as a lay person!
I'd be surprised. In Spain I'd expect the five to be 'Cajas'. Quite a few of them are having problems. Including the one I bank with!

Riff Raff

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225 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Riff Raff said:
I'd be surprised. In Spain I'd expect the five to be 'Cajas'. Quite a few of them are having problems. Including the one I bank with!
Yep, four Cajas and Banco Pastor. I bank with CAM, which is on the list. I should probably move my account, but it's such a pain in the arse to move a current account in Spain............

FarleyRusk

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241 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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If GR default and contagion was a scenario I would have expected to see Greece, Italian and French as well as German names on the list. As this wasn't the case then these stress tests were just another series of "relax tests" in reality as the new head of the IASB said about previous tests.

turbobloke

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290 months

Saturday 16th July 2011
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc111364-aefa-11e0-bb89-...

Only nine banks failed the long-running stress test carried out on 91 European banks, in a result that potentially undermines claims the exercise was tough enough to restore investors’ faith in the eurozone financial system.

Log in to FT for the rest.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Saturday 16th July 2011
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anonymous said:
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This is telling from the article - is it all being tweaked so it's not too hot or cold. And what happens in the next 6 months?



No need to worry – or tests too easy?

This is the second time regulators have sought to reassure nervous markets by testing the vulnerability of big banks to financial troubles. The credibility of last year's tests was undermined when several Irish banks, which got the all-clear, had, within months, to be bailed out.

Banks now have to be able to show they would still have capital worth 5 per cent of their assets even if a series of disasters occurred. Crucially, the banks have also been forced to provide more detail on how much they have lent 30 European countries, amid fears the eurozone crisis could prompt another disaster in the financial sector were a government to default on its debts.

Nevertheless, banking experts are divided on the issue of whether the tests are tough enough. That only eight of 90 banks tested failed may suggest the stresses they were asked to model were not sufficiently catastrophic. If too many investors take that view, the tests may fail to reassure markets.

Banks that failed the tests now have six months in which to bring their capital up to the required levels.

Edited by Mermaid on Saturday 16th July 11:43

Ozzie Osmond

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276 months

Saturday 16th July 2011
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Mermaid said:
No need to worry – or tests too easy?
Well, so long as the tests are tougher than the previous ones, it's a start!

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Saturday 16th July 2011
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"Europe's bank stress tests as bad as 1979 Irish driving test"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...


"Greek bonds are currently trading in the market at half their face value, yet the EBA seriously asks sophisticated investors to believe that they have properly tested the banks by applying a “haircut” of just 15pc to Greek debt. "