Would there be any support for a new political party?
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Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
ker party the useless tosser party might get in and that would be terribleArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
No in a word.... people dont like change they either vote for red ties or blue ones then moan oh ther're all the same and there is no point in voting.....I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
Single issue parties are pointless. What would your party's policy be on immigration, education, health, business, crime, etc etc?
Or are you saying you'd set up a political party just to collect a tiny protest vote?
As for the "fuel duty is unfair" bit, I disagree - if you use more fuel you pay more tax, use less fuel pay less tax. Much fairer than VED for example. The level of fuel duty may be too high but I don't think the concept of fuel duty is intrinsically unfair.
An existing party vowing to cut fuel duty would gain some votes, but they'd have to claw back the lost revenue somewhere so a different tax would rise or be introduced. Of course, that tax might only affect a few people (or "not me") so the "I'm alright Jack" brigade would probably think it was "fair" (i.e. someone else pays it).
Or are you saying you'd set up a political party just to collect a tiny protest vote?
As for the "fuel duty is unfair" bit, I disagree - if you use more fuel you pay more tax, use less fuel pay less tax. Much fairer than VED for example. The level of fuel duty may be too high but I don't think the concept of fuel duty is intrinsically unfair.
An existing party vowing to cut fuel duty would gain some votes, but they'd have to claw back the lost revenue somewhere so a different tax would rise or be introduced. Of course, that tax might only affect a few people (or "not me") so the "I'm alright Jack" brigade would probably think it was "fair" (i.e. someone else pays it).
Edited by ewenm on Wednesday 29th June 08:27
powerstroke said:
No in a word.... people dont like change they either vote for red ties or blue ones then moan oh ther're all the same and there is no point in voting.....
That may well be the case, but there is certainly a need for a new party.The Common sense, modicum of intelligence and foresight party.
Huntsman said:
powerstroke said:
No in a word.... people dont like change they either vote for red ties or blue ones then moan oh ther're all the same and there is no point in voting.....
That may well be the case, but there is certainly a need for a new party.The Common sense, modicum of intelligence and foresight party.
elster said:
I could see some sort of a Tea Party style working in the UK. Smaller state, lower taxes.
Only it'd be a "tea and biscuits" party! and we all stop work from 10.30 to 11.00 and from 3.30 to 4.00....No really, it's time to get rid of the professional politicians, as well as trade unions, and get back to working for our money and not giving it away to the worlds flotsam and jetsam!!!
ArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
So what you're saying is that driving is a need but having a job is an optional choice? Peculiar way of thinking.I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
Fuel tax actually is very fair. Buy 20 litres of fuel and you pay twice as much tax as someone who buys 10 litres of fuel. How much fairer can it be?
JMGS4 said:
Only it'd be a "tea and biscuits" party! and we all stop work from 10.30 to 11.00 and from 3.30 to 4.00....
No really, it's time to get rid of the professional politicians, as well as trade unions, and get back to working for our money and not giving it away to the worlds flotsam and jetsam!!!
I kind of agree that politicians should have a 'life' and not be allowed to represent in parliament for decades.No really, it's time to get rid of the professional politicians, as well as trade unions, and get back to working for our money and not giving it away to the worlds flotsam and jetsam!!!
Fittster said:
Considering the way parties act once in power does it actually matter if they have policies?
They have to at least add up, I suppose only really the 2 main parties can have policies that actually add up.Lib Dem
UKIP
Green
Respect
SNP
Liberals
Socialist
All had a manifesto that did not add up.
ArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
Why is it fairer to tax someone more who has more ability to pay?I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
I only earn a very average wage, but broadly prefer regressive taxes. If you earn more just to be taxed more, then what's the point in being rich?
ArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
Hell no. Not from me.I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
A percentage increase in income tax would have me worse off than the situation fuel tax currently puts me in. 40% and 50% are bad enough as it is.
oyster said:
Fuel tax actually is very fair. Buy 20 litres of fuel and you pay twice as much tax as someone who buys 10 litres of fuel. How much fairer can it be?
That depends whether you think the amount of road fuel you use should significantly influence the size of financial contribution you make to the cost of running the country.ArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
I disagree.I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
If you choose to commute 50 miles to work, then you should negotiate a salary that reflects your choice to drive further. Likewise, businesses should factor in the cost of transportation into the final price of their goods or services.
Likewise, if I am able to secure a job within walking distance or a very short commute, why should I pay more income tax just so someone can drive their car cheaply?
Fuel duty is in fact a good tax because you pay for exactly what you use, unlike income tax which is based purely upon somebody's ability to earn, regardless of what services they actually use.
ArmaghMan said:
Just been looking at the "petrol prices" thread and it got me thinking. it would appear that successive govts. have steadily increased the tax take from "road fuels" for the last 30 years or more.
I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
I spend a few thousand pounds a year on fuel. I pay a massive multiple of that amount in income tax, so no.I dont think anyone could disagree that fuel tax is an unfair tax, given that it is not in any way based on a persons ability to pay, but simply on their needs/circumstances, unlike income tax.
If a political party (new or existing) vowed to slash fuel duty but increase income tax would they get much support?
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