Rail unions negotiate pay rise for working during olympics
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BBC said:
Rail unions have agreed what they call a "groundbreaking" deal with Network Rail, which secures pay rises and other conditions during the 2012 Olympics.
Some 10,000 workers will get a pay rise of around 10% over two years and some will get extra shift payments during the games, in the joint RMT-TSSA deal.
No staff can be dismissed during the games and disputes will be fast-tracked or suspended until September.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13343578Some 10,000 workers will get a pay rise of around 10% over two years and some will get extra shift payments during the games, in the joint RMT-TSSA deal.
No staff can be dismissed during the games and disputes will be fast-tracked or suspended until September.
Talk about being held to ransom.
As I;ve said elsewhere, the weak management of Wetnerk Rail want firing for failing in their responsibilities. That they were ably aided and abeted by that medacious s
ty Bob Crow is neither here nor there - his sort of short-term glory will, in the bigger picture, been seen for what it is.
However, The ramifications could be far reaching. To clarify (as posted elsewhere), post RMT agreement I see this:
ty Bob Crow is neither here nor there - his sort of short-term glory will, in the bigger picture, been seen for what it is.However, The ramifications could be far reaching. To clarify (as posted elsewhere), post RMT agreement I see this:
- other public sector unions want a rise. And why not?
- private sector unions follow suit.
- sometime either before during or very shortly after steps 1 & 2, the MPC is forced to hike rates.
- the economy goes into reverse and weak businesses begin to fail.
- House prices suffer a second and possibly more severe dip.
Digga said:
As I;ve said elsewhere, the weak management of Wetnerk Rail want firing for failing in their responsibilities. That they were ably aided and abeted by that medacious sty Bob Crow is neither here nor there - his sort of short-term glory will, in the bigger picture, been seen for what it is.
However, The ramifications could be far reaching. To clarify (as posted elsewhere), post RMT agreement I see this:
Entirely agree, the so called Management need a swift kick up the rear end.ty Bob Crow is neither here nor there - his sort of short-term glory will, in the bigger picture, been seen for what it is.However, The ramifications could be far reaching. To clarify (as posted elsewhere), post RMT agreement I see this:
- other public sector unions want a rise. And why not?
- private sector unions follow suit.
- sometime either before during or very shortly after steps 1 & 2, the MPC is forced to hike rates.
- the economy goes into reverse and weak businesses begin to fail.
- House prices suffer a second and possibly more severe dip.
crankedup said:
Entirely agree, the so called Management need a swift kick up the rear end.
So the Mgmt say "fkoff" and Crow shouts (yet again) "everybody out...".Currently, a trade union may call a strike as long as a majority of members who take part in the ballot vote in favour – even if turnout is very low.
That is simply absurd. And f
k all to do with management.What can be done to undrmine the unions legally? Can they be gotten rid of?
If not careful Bob Crowe, a man I truly despise having never even met the wormly; bloated self-admiring short-sighted deviant, and his ilk will undo whatever the current govt. are trying to achieve after Labour's frightful campaign of "Let's sink GB".
I just wondered if anyone knew what can be done to circumvent these parasites.
If not careful Bob Crowe, a man I truly despise having never even met the wormly; bloated self-admiring short-sighted deviant, and his ilk will undo whatever the current govt. are trying to achieve after Labour's frightful campaign of "Let's sink GB".
I just wondered if anyone knew what can be done to circumvent these parasites.
kelk said:
What can be done to undrmine the unions legally? Can they be gotten rid of?
Well, therein lies the problem. I know that train companies, for example, as part of the T&Cs of their franchises, are bound to maintain union recognition.So the government has, effectively, foisted the continuance of the status quo upon them. I haven't heard that the new government has any plans to change that requirement either.
V8mate said:
Well, therein lies the problem. I know that train companies, for example, as part of the T&Cs of their franchises, are bound to maintain union recognition.
So the government has, effectively, foisted the continuance of the status quo upon them. I haven't heard that the new government has any plans to change that requirement either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...So the government has, effectively, foisted the continuance of the status quo upon them. I haven't heard that the new government has any plans to change that requirement either.
ukwill said:
V8mate said:
Well, therein lies the problem. I know that train companies, for example, as part of the T&Cs of their franchises, are bound to maintain union recognition.
So the government has, effectively, foisted the continuance of the status quo upon them. I haven't heard that the new government has any plans to change that requirement either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...So the government has, effectively, foisted the continuance of the status quo upon them. I haven't heard that the new government has any plans to change that requirement either.
V8mate said:
Indeed. But offering TOCs the opportunity to decide, like any other private sector company, whether they want to main Union recognition would be far preferable.
I don't know if it would be possible to run company like that without some form of employee representaion.I worked in big old company for a few years for my first job, and the unions did a pretty good job of liaising between the management and the workers, often the shop-stewards would be indistinguishable from the factroy floor supervisiors.
It's a subtle thing, but they keep the employees together, in an "on-the-same-page" way. If they get their own ideas then chaos ensues, and you get the wildcat strikes.
ukwill said:
the article said:
Downing Street yesterday issued a strong condemnation of a strike by London Underground drivers that will cause two weeks of misery for commuters. But it only came after Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, accused the Prime Minister of being “lily-livered” on the issue.
Well done Boris, again. Sometimes being bluntly outspoken is the most sensible and effective course of action.To be fair, though it pains me to say it, well done to Bob Crow; he clearly beleives he's doing his job by securing the 'best' outcome for his union's members. That this may well prove to be his Scargill miner's strike moment is another matter - I don't think he sees it that way.
DJRC said:
Take a cadre of squaddies and officers, start training them up to drive the trains? Tell Bob and the boys to go jump off a bridge, watch them walk out, walk the squaddies in.
Job done.
I don't think we've got any spare troops left. In fact, there are probably more train drivers in the country than soldiers Job done.
Would it be possible to change the rules on union recognition then change the T&Cs of each underground workers employment that if they took strike action they would be instantly dismissed.
It isn't like we have a shortage of working age people who would be thankful of a better paid job or just a job, any of them who agree with Bob Crow should be taken out for a nice boat ride and used as target practice for our subs.
It isn't like we have a shortage of working age people who would be thankful of a better paid job or just a job, any of them who agree with Bob Crow should be taken out for a nice boat ride and used as target practice for our subs.
In the private sector if you want to earn more you have to add more value to the market - which usually equates to 'do more'. However, the RMT seem to think that you should continually get an increase in wages just for doing the same thing. Demanding more for doing the same thing is pretty much the definition of greed.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money
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