its disgusting and coming to London next
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Confused Old Man 
I just can't get my head around this, what are they trying to achieve and what can anyone do about it ? but maybe worth watching so I might understand !
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-239...
I just can't get my head around this, what are they trying to achieve and what can anyone do about it ? but maybe worth watching so I might understand !http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-239...
Hundreds of young women in underwear, marching to protect the right of young women to march about in underwear (or thereabouts).
No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
eharding said:
Hundreds of young women in underwear, marching to protect the right of young women to march about in underwear (or thereabouts).
No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
Or they're... you know...No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
EDLT said:
eharding said:
Hundreds of young women in underwear, marching to protect the right of young women to march about in underwear (or thereabouts).
No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
Or they're... you know...No, I don't understand it either.
It has to be some form of trap.
They're all vampires or werewolves....er...werebyatches....or something...and any sad old blokes who turn up for the view will end up on the menu.
Or they'll steal your kidneys while you're not looking, and sell them to dodgy organ banks.
Oh..the horror....the horror
I've long been confused by this sort of behaviour. They dress so that their jubblies are on show, but then get the hump when I sneak a peak or three.
I realise that there's a difference between a good ogle and assault, but these women's rights issues have been giving mixed messages for years. They really do want to have their cake and eat it... but heaven help us if we ask for a nibble.
I realise that there's a difference between a good ogle and assault, but these women's rights issues have been giving mixed messages for years. They really do want to have their cake and eat it... but heaven help us if we ask for a nibble.
In the article comments section a chap called Nick wrote the following:
"There are two different issues here that are being confused and conflated.
1) If a woman dresses sexily then, in certain circumstances, this will increase her chances of being raped.
2) A man ought not to be allowed to rape a woman, should be held entirely morally and legally responsible if they do so, and should be severely punished if the act of rape can be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The first of these is an empirical fact. We ought to do whatever we lawfully and reasonably can to try to eliminate it (e.g. additional targeted policing, better street lighting, perhaps more severe punishments for convicted rapists etc.), but the facts the world and human nature are such that it is unlikely to be prevented entirely. So, whilst in an ideal world a woman ought to be able to dress as sexily as she pleases without feeling or being threatened by men, the world is far from ideal. As such, a woman ought to be careful how she dresses in certain circumstances if she wants to avoid male harrassment. To do so is merely prudent, in the same way as is keeping one's house and car locked.
However, at the same time, we ought to do all that we reasonably can to eliminate the danger to women, and to catch and punish any men who attempt to or actually do rape them. And any such men should be held entirely responsible from a moral and legal perspective."
This to me is spot on, I really don't know why these protesters don't understand it?
"There are two different issues here that are being confused and conflated.
1) If a woman dresses sexily then, in certain circumstances, this will increase her chances of being raped.
2) A man ought not to be allowed to rape a woman, should be held entirely morally and legally responsible if they do so, and should be severely punished if the act of rape can be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
The first of these is an empirical fact. We ought to do whatever we lawfully and reasonably can to try to eliminate it (e.g. additional targeted policing, better street lighting, perhaps more severe punishments for convicted rapists etc.), but the facts the world and human nature are such that it is unlikely to be prevented entirely. So, whilst in an ideal world a woman ought to be able to dress as sexily as she pleases without feeling or being threatened by men, the world is far from ideal. As such, a woman ought to be careful how she dresses in certain circumstances if she wants to avoid male harrassment. To do so is merely prudent, in the same way as is keeping one's house and car locked.
However, at the same time, we ought to do all that we reasonably can to eliminate the danger to women, and to catch and punish any men who attempt to or actually do rape them. And any such men should be held entirely responsible from a moral and legal perspective."
This to me is spot on, I really don't know why these protesters don't understand it?
Surely walking around the streets in your underwear is dressing a bit like a slut? Or do I need a woosh parrot?
I don't think that officer (or anyone) is saying that if a woman wears very little that she ought to be raped though?!?!?! Otherwise beaches would be very dangerous places..................
Are they just being professionally offended or what?
I don't think that officer (or anyone) is saying that if a woman wears very little that she ought to be raped though?!?!?! Otherwise beaches would be very dangerous places..................
Are they just being professionally offended or what?
My sons ex-girlfriend had arrived underdressed for the occasion to which I was taking the family. My mother took one look, smiled sweetly and cuttingly remarked.
“My dear, one shouldn’t put it in the shop window unless you are selling it”
This from a woman who was a model for The Couture House of Lachasse in the 1940’s.
“My dear, one shouldn’t put it in the shop window unless you are selling it”
This from a woman who was a model for The Couture House of Lachasse in the 1940’s.
Femisms continuing battle with reality
Yes dear you have the right to run around in your underwear and no one should touch you.
The reality is its a bad idea due to 0.00001% of men aren't very nice and all the rights and laws in the world won't change this.
Its no different from me parking a car unlocked with the keys and V5 on the passenger seat in the middle of manchester.
i should have the right to do that but doesn't mean i should
Yes dear you have the right to run around in your underwear and no one should touch you.
The reality is its a bad idea due to 0.00001% of men aren't very nice and all the rights and laws in the world won't change this.
Its no different from me parking a car unlocked with the keys and V5 on the passenger seat in the middle of manchester.
i should have the right to do that but doesn't mean i should
Edited by thinfourth2 on Tuesday 10th May 09:30
Does this mean that I was totally wrong in my crime prevention talks when I told people to lock their front doors? Mind you, there were no marches in the streets with people throwing their keys into the crowds.
I used to tell people not to park their cars where it is dark and people do not regularly walk past. Where was the mass demo on the M25 for that?
The only thing this chap did wrong was to use the word slut. If he had phrased it along the lines of:
"There are some really weird bods out there. Their motivation is obscure. All I can suggest is that you don't wear clothing which might excite these people or make them think that you might be available. You would not leave your car unlocked with the key in it, would you? [Pause for laughter.] It is a terrible situation, of course, where you have your rights restricted because of these men. We do our best but we're so understaffed. Any questions?"
I used to tell people not to park their cars where it is dark and people do not regularly walk past. Where was the mass demo on the M25 for that?
The only thing this chap did wrong was to use the word slut. If he had phrased it along the lines of:
"There are some really weird bods out there. Their motivation is obscure. All I can suggest is that you don't wear clothing which might excite these people or make them think that you might be available. You would not leave your car unlocked with the key in it, would you? [Pause for laughter.] It is a terrible situation, of course, where you have your rights restricted because of these men. We do our best but we're so understaffed. Any questions?"
Jasandjules said:
Surely walking around the streets in your underwear is dressing a bit like a slut? Or do I need a woosh parrot?
A little whoosh I think - they don't have an issue with being called a slut - they're actively adopting the use of the word to appropriate it and remove it's stigma in the same way the black community has with 
.I also agree with their point that even countenancingthat the way someone dresses may be used as an argument to mitigate or excuse rape is unacceptable.
Jasandjules said:
Are they just being professionally offended or what?
There's probably a bit of this in there too.
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