46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
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An interesting article about potential options for Biden. It suggests that Biden may be trying the hang on until after the convention, to prevent an “open” convention and the civil war that will come with that.
If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
hidetheelephants said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
thatsprettyshady said:
I think the big issue would be fundraising, right? If Biden runs obviously he has the money, if Kamala run I think(?) she gets the money but a new candidate would be starting from 0.
The above has most likely been said before, but the Dems have screwed themselves here haven’t they?
The money reverts to the Demnocrat Party so they could presumably fund another candidate with that.The above has most likely been said before, but the Dems have screwed themselves here haven’t they?
I suspect the problem is getting KH to stand down amd then agreeing am alternative candidate.
gregs656 said:
Yeah it would be easy to step aside. In an election year all the attention would shift to the new candidate anyway.
This could go the same way at RBG. A gift to the GOP because the Dems aren't always strategic.
I said the same a while back, the ego often gets in the way of the sensible, she undid a lifetime of work with that stubbornness.This could go the same way at RBG. A gift to the GOP because the Dems aren't always strategic.
thatsprettyshady said:
An interesting article about potential options for Biden. It suggests that Biden may be trying the hang on until after the convention, to prevent an “open” convention and the civil war that will come with that.
If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
Seemed like a good article until it.concluded he'd be replaced by Kamala Harris. She's one of very few candidates that Trump could easily beat. If Biden goes KH must go, IMHO. Surely the Dems realise that??If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
BikeBikeBIke said:
thatsprettyshady said:
An interesting article about potential options for Biden. It suggests that Biden may be trying the hang on until after the convention, to prevent an “open” convention and the civil war that will come with that.
If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
Seemed like a good article until it.concluded he'd be replaced by Kamala Harris. She's one of very few candidates that Trump could easily beat. If Biden goes KH must go, IMHO. Surely the Dems realise that??If he drops out after then the DNC will “choose the new nominee during a special session called by the chair”
https://mishtalk.com/politics/how-long-before-bide...
So if some new name or names appear, then they have to start again.
The problem with the Dems is that they as a collective, like many of the posters in here cannot see past their fervent hatred for Trump and so are blinded to reality.
They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
My belief is that it is too late to reverse the damage that has been done and there is a real possibility of civil war in the US now.
One question that many Americans must be asking themselves right now is who is actually running the country because it sure doesn't look like it is Biden, and that fits perfectly into the deep state/swap rhetoric peddled by Trump et al.
They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
My belief is that it is too late to reverse the damage that has been done and there is a real possibility of civil war in the US now.
One question that many Americans must be asking themselves right now is who is actually running the country because it sure doesn't look like it is Biden, and that fits perfectly into the deep state/swap rhetoric peddled by Trump et al.
simon_harris said:
The problem with the Dems is that they as a collective, like many of the posters in here cannot see past their fervent hatred for Trump and so are blinded to reality.
They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
My belief is that it is too late to reverse the damage that has been done and there is a real possibility of civil war in the US now.
One question that many Americans must be asking themselves right now is who is actually running the country because it sure doesn't look like it is Biden, and that fits perfectly into the deep state/swap rhetoric peddled by Trump et al.
A civil war would not last long, dem are mainly anti gun against Republicans who are armed to the teeth. They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
My belief is that it is too late to reverse the damage that has been done and there is a real possibility of civil war in the US now.
One question that many Americans must be asking themselves right now is who is actually running the country because it sure doesn't look like it is Biden, and that fits perfectly into the deep state/swap rhetoric peddled by Trump et al.
It will be interesting if there is a large uptick in gun purchases..... its the last thing the free world needs is internal fighting in America.
Time really is of the essence here. Some really hard words must be being said behind closed doors.
There is clearly no future with Biden and they have to get something viable in place to face Trump in November.
The awful irony is that Trump would be a punchbag for any competent opponent.
There is clearly no future with Biden and they have to get something viable in place to face Trump in November.
The awful irony is that Trump would be a punchbag for any competent opponent.
simon_harris said:
The problem with the Dems is that they as a collective, like many of the posters in here cannot see past their fervent hatred for Trump and so are blinded to reality.
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, it's certainly not 'blind hatred' for trump. That makes the concern about him seem unreasonable and petty. It isn't. Perhaps you mean that the alarm about the possibility of trump returning to do more damage to the country is so great that people are inclined to overlook issues with Biden and the whole situation. I think if that's the case you'd have a fair point.
simon_harris said:
The problem with the Dems is that they as a collective, like many of the posters in here cannot see past their fervent hatred for Trump and so are blinded to reality.
They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
Would tend to agree - this article today in the ft pretty much says a similar thing about how when people become quite as zealous about some perceived moral/collective imperative that has to be achieved no matter what, the consequences sometimes can prove rather counterproductive. It also won't be the first time it has happened either but history it seems is determined to repeat itself - the question is whether as tragedy or farce....They will not see the damage being done to the role of the president by current actions, they cannot see that this is all a gift to the Trump campaign, they cannot see that they are falling into the easy traps he is laying out. (even if they aren't he is making it look like they are - "punishment trials" are a great example of this.)
https://www.ft.com/content/4d4f2fb7-0a68-44e0-adff...
swisstoni said:
Time really is of the essence here. Some really hard words must be being said behind closed doors.
There is clearly no future with Biden and they have to get something viable in place to face Trump in November.
The awful irony is that Trump would be a punchbag for any competent opponent.
You seen the letter Biden put out and listened to his live call to the news station?There is clearly no future with Biden and they have to get something viable in place to face Trump in November.
The awful irony is that Trump would be a punchbag for any competent opponent.
Unless something extremely bad 'happens' to Biden, him, his Dr wife and close team shall in no way relinquish his position.
No way are they taking that step down and humiliation.
It's a home run for the other guy; between Bidens daily performances to try and prove the debate was a bad day which in actual fact get progressively worse and now the infighting in the party with people desperate to throw their hat into the ring, it's shaping up for the worst possible run up scenario.
Why is Trump not out and about? He is letting Biden and the dems unravel themselves; they are doing a far better job than he could.
'Plan continuation bias', like the captain of the Torrey Canyon.
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I wonder if this has updated anyone's priors on the validity of reporting in the NYT/WaPo/CNN et al in the political domain generally, probably not; intelligent as the left is in comparison to the right this doesn't seem to stretch to updating until it involves physical contact with reality.
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I wonder if this has updated anyone's priors on the validity of reporting in the NYT/WaPo/CNN et al in the political domain generally, probably not; intelligent as the left is in comparison to the right this doesn't seem to stretch to updating until it involves physical contact with reality.
Wheelspinning said:
You seen the letter Biden put out and listened to his live call to the news station?
Unless something extremely bad 'happens' to Biden, him, his Dr wife and close team shall in no way relinquish his position.
No way are they taking that step down and humiliation.
It's a home run for the other guy; between Bidens daily performances to try and prove the debate was a bad day which in actual fact get progressively worse and now the infighting in the party with people desperate to throw their hat into the ring, it's shaping up for the worst possible run up scenario.
Why is Trump not out and about? He is letting Biden and the dems unravel themselves; they are doing a far better job than he could.
Sounds familiar.Unless something extremely bad 'happens' to Biden, him, his Dr wife and close team shall in no way relinquish his position.
No way are they taking that step down and humiliation.
It's a home run for the other guy; between Bidens daily performances to try and prove the debate was a bad day which in actual fact get progressively worse and now the infighting in the party with people desperate to throw their hat into the ring, it's shaping up for the worst possible run up scenario.
Why is Trump not out and about? He is letting Biden and the dems unravel themselves; they are doing a far better job than he could.
paulguitar said:
simon_harris said:
The problem with the Dems is that they as a collective, like many of the posters in here cannot see past their fervent hatred for Trump and so are blinded to reality.
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, it's certainly not 'blind hatred' for trump. That makes the concern about him seem unreasonable and petty. It isn't. Perhaps you mean that the alarm about the possibility of trump returning to do more damage to the country is so great that people are inclined to overlook issues with Biden and the whole situation. I think if that's the case you'd have a fair point.
But the anyone but the "not trump" mantra is clearly too powerfully addictive to relinquish.
Of course the other side of the coin is that if they had replaced Biden earlier it would have also fed into the CT narrative that it was the plan all along to replace him with KH and Trump would have really leaned into that. Would it have been as productive for him is a question I don't have an answer for though.
Wheelspinning said:
No way are they taking that step down and humiliation.
You might very well be right but I think it shows the difference between how some minds work and some others. Perhaps the difference between high achievers and regular folk?I'd have the utmost respect for him if he stood down. It would be a brave thing to do for the sake of the US and arguably the whole world. So nothing for him to feel humiliated over.
Randy Winkman said:
Wheelspinning said:
No way are they taking that step down and humiliation.
You might very well be right but I think it shows the difference between how some minds work and some others. Perhaps the difference between high achievers and regular folk?I'd have the utmost respect for him if he stood down. It would be a brave thing to do for the sake of the US and arguably the whole world. So nothing for him to feel humiliated over.
andy_s said:
'Plan continuation bias', like the captain of the Torrey Canyon.
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I wonder if this has updated anyone's priors on the validity of reporting in the NYT/WaPo/CNN et al in the political domain generally, probably not; intelligent as the left is in comparison to the right this doesn't seem to stretch to updating until it involves physical contact with reality.
There are still those who think that Hillary's Russian dossier was real and the 'good people on both sides' narrative.--
I wonder if this has updated anyone's priors on the validity of reporting in the NYT/WaPo/CNN et al in the political domain generally, probably not; intelligent as the left is in comparison to the right this doesn't seem to stretch to updating until it involves physical contact with reality.
Very difficult to leave a cult.
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