46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[Beati Dogu]

It’s too late to swap him out in 16 states apparently. The deadline for that has passed.

Even if they use the 25th amendment to force him out. I don’t think he wants to step away and clearly his wife doesn’t either. They’ve also painted themselves into a diversity corner with Kamala Harris.

The Dems are kinda stuck with them both.

[irc]

The Democrats only have themselves to blame. It has been clear for a long time his mental abilities were in decline and he obviously was not fit for another term.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z2begqhdCU

[skwdenyer]

Beati Dogu said:

It’s too late to swap him out in 16 states apparently. The deadline for that has passed.

Even if they use the 25th amendment to force him out. I don’t think he wants to step away and clearly his wife doesn’t either. They’ve also painted themselves into a diversity corner with Kamala Harris.

The Dems are kinda stuck with them both.

How can it be too late to swap him, since the Convention isn’t until August? Until then surely he’s only the presumptive nominee?

When this question was raised during Covid (what would happen if one of them died), Richard Pildes, a constitutional law professor at the New York University School of Law, was reported as saying that even under normal circumstances, Democratic delegates are technically free “on the first ballot to vote their conscience.”

So there is no Democratic nominee until after the Convention.

How then can Biden be locked in for 16 states at this early stage?

This of course makes sense. Trump hasn’t declared a running mate yet, so there can’t surely be a lock-in on the ticket yet?

Now according to this https://ballotpedia.org/Deadline_to_run_for_presid... independent candidates must meet a series of state deadlines, many of which are in July.

So the only question is whether states have enacted laws (stupidly) that preclude delegates to a major party’s convention from voting for a candidate other than the one that won that state’s primary? Again, the discussion during Covid appeared to suggest that this wasn’t the case, and that the conventions could still pick alternate candidates.

Do you have a canonical answer to this question?

[Mortarboard]

I believevthecsuprene court had a little ruling about states precluding names from being on ballots.....

M.

[Baroque attacks]

Yup
Just a little one

[southendpier]

if the big guy steps down then all funds raised by the Biden campaign, cannot be transferred to another, even the VP - and would have to be returned.

[sugerbear]

I would still vote for Biden over Trump. He is the least worst candidate.

But then I am not a US citizen

[Durzel]

EddieSteadyGo said:

vaud said:

Is their precedent for switching candidates this far into the process?

Honestly I'm not sure. But I would be pretty certain the reason they pulled forward the date for the first debate into June was to ensure they had time if this scenario happened prior to the DNC in August.

I've heard it said that the reason for the early debate would be so that they would have additional time to recover if it didn't go to plan. That sounds more likely to me than Biden being on a knife edge as the candidate going into the debate.

[Durzel]

The big issue with Biden at this point I think is that it is self-evident that if he got in again that he would not be calling the shots.

Even if that isn't the case with the President anyway - he/she isn't making the actual decisions - the perception of the office is that he/she is. Since Biden can't competently make these decisions in the state he's in, it naturally follows that in a 2nd Biden presidency it would be "special interests" calling the shots. Given Trump's platform has been all about "draining the swamp", "the little guy finally gets someone in their corner" (even if it's all bullst) Biden being incompetent plays into that. Trump can just say that it'll be Pelosi and co making decisions for themselves and donors, etc behind the scenes.

I don't think Trump will win, simply because when it comes to the actual vote people will consider the character of Biden as compared to Trump. I think it will be close though, closer than 2020.

[Tankrizzo]

Point of constitutional order: what happens if Biden dies before the election? As in, a week before the election? Does it get delayed?

[Scabutz]

Tankrizzo said:

Point of constitutional order: what happens if Biden dies before the election? As in, a week before the election? Does it get delayed?

Depends when it happens, but either way the vote goes ahead. If its before the convention then the delegates vote for someone else from the floor. If its after then each party has different rules but the person can be replaced one way or another.

[Mortarboard]

sugerbear said:

I would still vote for Biden over Trump. He is the least worst candidate.

But then I am not a US citizen

Agreed. It's whats my vote will be doing. And voting early too, gawd bless misery!

M.

[cliffords]

Watched Fox news reporting just now they seem highly impartial !
They made a point I was thinking today that Biden's wife, son and two other young women have decided he should continue for him .
This was whilst doing a magazine photo shoot this weekend where they were all together.

It is hard to see him as credible sometimes standalone . In comparison to the other bloke less hard of course.

[thatsprettyshady]

Brutal

[hidetheelephants]

The idea that he would not sign such a bill set before him by congress is for the birds.

[thatsprettyshady]

It's only been around 20 minutes and the Biden fans are already fantasizing about doing drone strikes on the Supreme Court and Trump.

https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1807805078239068596

Edited for speeling

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Monday 1st July 18:19

[paulguitar]

thatsprettyshady said:

It's only been around 20 minutes and the Biden fans are already fantisiting about doing drone strikes on the Supreme Court and Trump.

https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1807805078239068596

It's not difficult to find extremist nutters on Twitter.

[Wheelspinning]

paulguitar said:

thatsprettyshady said:

It's only been around 20 minutes and the Biden fans are already fantisiting about doing drone strikes on the Supreme Court and Trump.

https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1807805078239068596

It's not difficult to find extremist nutters on Twitter.

Tbf, they are posting pics of Biden instructing a SEAL team on the 45th POTUS thread on here...

[raftom]

thatsprettyshady said:

It's only been around 20 minutes and the Biden fans are already fantasizing about doing drone strikes on the Supreme Court and Trump.

https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1807805078239068596

Edited for speeling

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Monday 1st July 18:19

You and the person who published that tweet have trouble understanding written text, apparently:

[thatsprettyshady]

raftom said:

thatsprettyshady said:

It's only been around 20 minutes and the Biden fans are already fantasizing about doing drone strikes on the Supreme Court and Trump.

https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1807805078239068596

Edited for speeling

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Monday 1st July 18:19

You and the person who published that tweet have trouble understanding written text, apparently:

this one is on the DNC payroll...



https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1807793337509786...