Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
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Cheib said:
AlexIT said:
Oliver Hardy said:
The deal with North Korea is likely to upset the Chines too.
https://apnews.com/article/china-north-korea-russi...
There are two things China needs to avoid at any cost: jeopardize its economical links with South Korea and attract more US presence in the area.https://apnews.com/article/china-north-korea-russi...
The "deal" between NK and Russia could potentially do both if China does not take a firm stand.
IMHO it suits China as they also don’t want Putin losing his job so it provides some military backing for him which they won’t do themselves
bmwmike said:
I'd presumed that the NK deal was really just a proxy for China supplying weapons and getting to test them out.
I don't think so. NK has a ton of arms manufacturing capacity, they can sell Putin the basic stuff he wants in big supplies. No need for China to get their hands dirty.paulw123 said:
There is no deal that would be acceptable to Ukraine other than a 'deal' forced on them.
A burglar comes into your house, smashes most of it up, steals some of yoyr possessions, kills a couple of family members then says he will leave the house but you must legally sign over your garden to him.
And this is a deal?
Well it is a deal if the person you are dependent on to continue resisting said burglar tells you that if you don’t accept, then you’re on your own….. it doesn’t need to be a good deal ukraine likes but simply one that the people they are dependent on think will do.A burglar comes into your house, smashes most of it up, steals some of yoyr possessions, kills a couple of family members then says he will leave the house but you must legally sign over your garden to him.
And this is a deal?
AlexIT said:
It might well be, but I just don't see what advantage this would give to China: any move that could strengthen NK, will move South Korea, Japan and the US closer and that's what China would like to avoid as much as possible.
It isn’t going to make military cooperation between Japan, South Korea and the US much if any closer than it already is….AlexIT said:
It might well be, but I just don't see what advantage this would give to China: any move that could strengthen NK, will move South Korea, Japan and the US closer and that's what China would like to avoid as much as possible.
It might not have been signed off by China, I don't buy that every move NK makes is signed off by China. S Korea could, as you say, move closer to the US in the sense of supporting Ukraine. They have lots of equipment in storage and a large arms industry, if they end up annoyed at North Korea, Ukraine/Russia could up as a bit of a proxy war for the two koreas. borcy said:
It might not have been signed off by China, I don't buy that every move NK makes is signed off by China. S Korea could, as you say, move closer to the US in the sense of supporting Ukraine. They have lots of equipment in storage and a large arms industry, if they end up annoyed at North Korea, Ukraine/Russia could up as a bit of a proxy war for the two koreas.
100 inaccurate shells versus 1 accurate shell.borcy said:
It might not have been signed off by China, I don't buy that every move NK makes is signed off by China. S Korea could, as you say, move closer to the US in the sense of supporting Ukraine. They have lots of equipment in storage and a large arms industry, if they end up annoyed at North Korea, Ukraine/Russia could up as a bit of a proxy war for the two koreas.
South Korea is fundamental to re-equipping European forces that have donated their obsolete equipment to Ukraine. Poland for example is spending £Bns on Korean hardware.Evanivitch said:
borcy said:
It might not have been signed off by China, I don't buy that every move NK makes is signed off by China. S Korea could, as you say, move closer to the US in the sense of supporting Ukraine. They have lots of equipment in storage and a large arms industry, if they end up annoyed at North Korea, Ukraine/Russia could up as a bit of a proxy war for the two koreas.
South Korea is fundamental to re-equipping European forces that have donated their obsolete equipment to Ukraine. Poland for example is spending £Bns on Korean hardware.isaldiri said:
It isn’t going to make military cooperation between Japan, South Korea and the US much if any closer than it already is….
It might actually prompt military cooperation between Japan and South Korea that doesn’t have to go via the US.There are a lot of historical reasons, some within living memory, why the South Koreans don’t really trust the Japanese. Both however are strong allies of the US.
borcy said:
Evanivitch said:
borcy said:
It might not have been signed off by China, I don't buy that every move NK makes is signed off by China. S Korea could, as you say, move closer to the US in the sense of supporting Ukraine. They have lots of equipment in storage and a large arms industry, if they end up annoyed at North Korea, Ukraine/Russia could up as a bit of a proxy war for the two koreas.
South Korea is fundamental to re-equipping European forces that have donated their obsolete equipment to Ukraine. Poland for example is spending £Bns on Korean hardware.hidetheelephants said:
pingu393 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
South Koreans tanks will be built in Poland from 2026
Teach a man to fish 
Hyundai are the shell manufacturer, unlike most countries where having a factory to build artillery shells has been withering since 1991, Korea has always had that base heavy industry and like a Hyundai or Kia buying from them is easier than building a factory to do it yourself even if there has been a history of it. Ukraine will manufacture on site with Reinmetal and Northropp in the future. What the South Koreans have is instant results of cold war capacity in a modern factory. Their 105mm shells and 155 are very good.
Here in Finland we have made our latest shipment, with some experimental stuff thrown in. But we are also ramping up material sourcing and pivoting to arms manufacturing, say instead of Truck Trailers for excavators, they make them for Tanks. Plus drone hardware and software for EW as we know how to make a mobile phone you can throw pivoting into this area is not a leap into the unknown.
Its worth noting how Tatra who make mostly Military spec platforms have moved away from Iraq/Afghan war light armour style vehicles into this, a heavier armour version in 2023/4..jpg)
You can also see their shoot and scoot heavy 155mm gun the Morana has been at the gym compared to the 815-7 version because of the war in Ukraine.
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Here in Finland we have made our latest shipment, with some experimental stuff thrown in. But we are also ramping up material sourcing and pivoting to arms manufacturing, say instead of Truck Trailers for excavators, they make them for Tanks. Plus drone hardware and software for EW as we know how to make a mobile phone you can throw pivoting into this area is not a leap into the unknown.
Its worth noting how Tatra who make mostly Military spec platforms have moved away from Iraq/Afghan war light armour style vehicles into this, a heavier armour version in 2023/4.
You can also see their shoot and scoot heavy 155mm gun the Morana has been at the gym compared to the 815-7 version because of the war in Ukraine.
NK engineering brigades to be sent to Ukraine as soon as next month to back up Red Army. 140mil and no troops left to fight...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/27/...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/27/...
martynr said:
NK engineering brigades to be sent to Ukraine as soon as next month to back up Red Army. 140mil and no troops left to fight...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/27/...
I wouldn't go that far; Putin has always been quite relaxed about paying mercs to die for his stupid ideas, now Kim the 3rd gets paid while they die instead.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/27/...
hidetheelephants said:
It's more that they've ordered so much hardware that to get a reasonable delivery schedule licenced production is the sensible option.
According to one of the You tube channels that talks about Geopolitics and the war, South Korea is looking to open four defence equipment factories in Europe, I have Googled this and found nothing so ?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff