Your voting intentions
Poll: Your voting intentions
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Discussion
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
Amateurish said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
But otherwise, good post.
Amateurish said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
Link said:
Since then (the start pof the pandemic), the waiting list has soared to 6.7 million in May 2022 and is growing at a significantly faster rate than before the pandemic. If pre-pandemic trends had continued, we might have expected the waiting list to be around 5.3 million.
That's 1.4 million lower. It's wishful thinking that Labour will fix it, unfortunately they lack the means..https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/how-much-is-covid-19-to-blame-for-growing-nhs-waiting-times
I find it hard to believe that one in eight of the entire population are on the waiting list for "NHS treatment". Being on a waiting list means they've seen a GP and been referred, then seen somebody at the hospital (consultant or whatever).
We only have one proper general hospital in Cornwall (Treliske). Even that doesn't handle all specialities - some serious cases have to go to Plymouth Derriford.
We are continually told that Treliske has some of the worst waiting times in the country.
My housemate contacted her GP 3 weeks ago about breathing difficulties. She had chest x-rays at the local small hospital, further x-rays and a consultant at Treliske, then an operation last Friday (first day of a junior doctor strike) to remove a polyp from her larynx. Just over 2 weeks from start to finish. Wonderful service, no complaints. In and out in under 5 hours.
Mum (87) has had both her cataracts done in the past year, as well as a couple of complex tooth extractions at Treliske, with minimal waiting.
Her "man friend" (pushing 90) has had a couple of operations recently.
I don't know anyone with debilitating conditions who has waited more than a couple of months.
Maybe it's different for elective surgery. Massive queues for new hips and knees?
Mental health services are truly screwed though.
We only have one proper general hospital in Cornwall (Treliske). Even that doesn't handle all specialities - some serious cases have to go to Plymouth Derriford.
We are continually told that Treliske has some of the worst waiting times in the country.
My housemate contacted her GP 3 weeks ago about breathing difficulties. She had chest x-rays at the local small hospital, further x-rays and a consultant at Treliske, then an operation last Friday (first day of a junior doctor strike) to remove a polyp from her larynx. Just over 2 weeks from start to finish. Wonderful service, no complaints. In and out in under 5 hours.
Mum (87) has had both her cataracts done in the past year, as well as a couple of complex tooth extractions at Treliske, with minimal waiting.
Her "man friend" (pushing 90) has had a couple of operations recently.
I don't know anyone with debilitating conditions who has waited more than a couple of months.
Maybe it's different for elective surgery. Massive queues for new hips and knees?
Mental health services are truly screwed though.
clockworks said:
I find it hard to believe that one in eight of the entire population are on the waiting list for "NHS treatment". Being on a waiting list means they've seen a GP and been referred, then seen somebody at the hospital (consultant or whatever).
We only have one proper general hospital in Cornwall (Treliske). Even that doesn't handle all specialities - some serious cases have to go to Plymouth Derriford.
We are continually told that Treliske has some of the worst waiting times in the country.
My housemate contacted her GP 3 weeks ago about breathing difficulties. She had chest x-rays at the local small hospital, further x-rays and a consultant at Treliske, then an operation last Friday (first day of a junior doctor strike) to remove a polyp from her larynx. Just over 2 weeks from start to finish. Wonderful service, no complaints. In and out in under 5 hours.
Mum (87) has had both her cataracts done in the past year, as well as a couple of complex tooth extractions at Treliske, with minimal waiting.
Her "man friend" (pushing 90) has had a couple of operations recently.
I don't know anyone with debilitating conditions who has waited more than a couple of months.
Maybe it's different for elective surgery. Massive queues for new hips and knees?
Mental health services are truly screwed though.
They are excellent at life threatening stuff, especially Cancer in my experience as well. We only have one proper general hospital in Cornwall (Treliske). Even that doesn't handle all specialities - some serious cases have to go to Plymouth Derriford.
We are continually told that Treliske has some of the worst waiting times in the country.
My housemate contacted her GP 3 weeks ago about breathing difficulties. She had chest x-rays at the local small hospital, further x-rays and a consultant at Treliske, then an operation last Friday (first day of a junior doctor strike) to remove a polyp from her larynx. Just over 2 weeks from start to finish. Wonderful service, no complaints. In and out in under 5 hours.
Mum (87) has had both her cataracts done in the past year, as well as a couple of complex tooth extractions at Treliske, with minimal waiting.
Her "man friend" (pushing 90) has had a couple of operations recently.
I don't know anyone with debilitating conditions who has waited more than a couple of months.
Maybe it's different for elective surgery. Massive queues for new hips and knees?
Mental health services are truly screwed though.
Sadly it's the rest that is awful. Unless you're in a iife-threatening situation you're going to be waiting a long time.
Tom8 said:
Amateurish said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
But otherwise, good post.
Source: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Amateurish said:
Tom8 said:
Amateurish said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
But otherwise, good post.
Source: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Labour have pledged to inject more money, that more money is less than 1% extra.
Meaning that the Tories have been throwing as money as they can at it.
It looks like there might just be two thousand seats in it between Labour and Conservative in my area, it's always been a safe tory seat since it's inception. As a Lifelong tory voter I agree they have been crap, more than crap in fact and they need a good kick up the arse but do we really want 400 Labour MPs?
I could vote lib dems but it wouldn't make a difference and they lied over tuition fees the last time they were in Government so I guess it's going to be about who I don't want and I don't want Labour as I've lived through both times they bankrupted us.
It's like having to decide which end of a s
t sandwich I need to take a bite out of.
I could vote lib dems but it wouldn't make a difference and they lied over tuition fees the last time they were in Government so I guess it's going to be about who I don't want and I don't want Labour as I've lived through both times they bankrupted us.
It's like having to decide which end of a s
t sandwich I need to take a bite out of.Amateurish said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
Interesting how 14 years of Tory failure to manage the NHS is somehow Labour's problem.
It's down to every government in the past 60 years or so as this happened (below) it's everyone's problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040159/life-e...
Wearing a red tie won't fix it.
If a bunch more people got old, and more of them chronically ill, you could easily see why the waiting list has gone up.
Last time I was in hospital (with my child), almost everyone else in the ward was over 55 and knocking on the door of being obese.
Sheets Tabuer said:
It looks like there might just be two thousand seats in it between Labour and Conservative in my area, it's always been a safe tory seat since it's inception. As a Lifelong tory voter I agree they have been crap, more than crap in fact and they need a good kick up the arse but do we really want 400 Labour MPs?
I could vote lib dems but it wouldn't make a difference and they lied over tuition fees the last time they were in Government so I guess it's going to be about who I don't want and I don't want Labour as I've lived through both times they bankrupted us.
It's like having to decide which end of a st sandwich I need to take a bite out of.
I just came here to post something similar.I could vote lib dems but it wouldn't make a difference and they lied over tuition fees the last time they were in Government so I guess it's going to be about who I don't want and I don't want Labour as I've lived through both times they bankrupted us.
It's like having to decide which end of a s
t sandwich I need to take a bite out of.I desperately want to not vote conservative because they need a massive kick in the fork after what they've done and become.
But it's pretty much shooting yourself in the head to vote in such numbers for any party that they have carte blanche to do as they please. The last 5 years being a case in point.
There needs to be a decent amount of opposition to any sitting government, I don't want the incoming government to think it has a mandate to do whatever it ideologically likes. We've just seen where that got us in the last ten years.
I'm in a blue constituency, my MP is an experienced and apparently upstanding backbencher who does good work in the area, and ultimately we do still need adults to hold the new government to task.
I know voting for the cretins that I've just criticised above is somewhat perverse but equally the logic is sound.
Voting day and I honestly still don't know who to vote for!
I think my leanings at the min are either Lib Dem (tactical) or Reform (with many reservations).
All I know is I'm poorer now, despite making more than ever (pretty much bang on UK average) and I'd like that to change.
Boils down to what we think the reason for it is... Immigrants or Brexit apparently. fk if I know.
Who has the answers? Who knows. If I could vote 'anyone but Tory' I would. That's pretty much what I'll be doing. Me and about 30/40mil others.
I think my leanings at the min are either Lib Dem (tactical) or Reform (with many reservations).
All I know is I'm poorer now, despite making more than ever (pretty much bang on UK average) and I'd like that to change.
Boils down to what we think the reason for it is... Immigrants or Brexit apparently. f
k if I know. Who has the answers? Who knows. If I could vote 'anyone but Tory' I would. That's pretty much what I'll be doing. Me and about 30/40mil others.
FNG said:
the logic is sound.
I'm not sure it is. There is no such thing as a super majority. Any government by definition has a majority that allows them to table legislation & have it passed by that majority. It doesn't matter whether it's 40 or 400, the whole system depends on a working majority. Irrespective of its size. There will always be an opposition holding the government to account but the idea that democracy suffers under a large majority is not true, a government either has sufficient numbers to vote through its legislative agenda or it doesn't & falls. The super majority line is nothing more than a Tory spin aimed at limiting the scale of their losses.
Where I do agree is you vote for an MP, so if your guy is good, then it makes sense to vote for who you think will represent the constituency well but nevertheless don't fall for the supermajority line.
Went to the booth this morning still undecided.
In the end voted cons because of all the people on the list I'd actually heard of and known of the cons representative and what she's achieved. The others were totally faceless (or completely batst like the local independent who is one of these "5G" people).
But also because I just decided that whilst the conservatives are st. At least their brand of st is a known quantity and I can, so far, tolerate it and life isn't too bad. Reform, no. Even if their headlines look palatable to some I doubt they'd be capable of forming a competent crew if they actually got something. It'd be deer in the headlights. Labour do worry me because their headlines are kinda wooly (or pointless eg private schools tax) and seem like more of the same. I think they'd only show their true form once in power and it won't be good. Starmer is entirely beige.
Either way...the cons aren't winning anyway are they so I can't see my vote counting for much. But I'll be dammed if I'm doing tactical votes. You shouldn't have to do that. Labour with a strong opposition would the best to hope for I think. Perhaps having any one party with too much control isn't good however you cut it.
In the end voted cons because of all the people on the list I'd actually heard of and known of the cons representative and what she's achieved. The others were totally faceless (or completely bats
t like the local independent who is one of these "5G" people).But also because I just decided that whilst the conservatives are s
t. At least their brand of st is a known quantity and I can, so far, tolerate it and life isn't too bad. Reform, no. Even if their headlines look palatable to some I doubt they'd be capable of forming a competent crew if they actually got something. It'd be deer in the headlights. Labour do worry me because their headlines are kinda wooly (or pointless eg private schools tax) and seem like more of the same. I think they'd only show their true form once in power and it won't be good. Starmer is entirely beige.Either way...the cons aren't winning anyway are they so I can't see my vote counting for much. But I'll be dammed if I'm doing tactical votes. You shouldn't have to do that. Labour with a strong opposition would the best to hope for I think. Perhaps having any one party with too much control isn't good however you cut it.
Drew106 said:
Voting day and I honestly still don't know who to vote for!
I think my leanings at the min are either Lib Dem (tactical) or Reform (with many reservations).
All I know is I'm poorer now, despite making more than ever (pretty much bang on UK average) and I'd like that to change.
Boils down to what we think the reason for it is... Immigrants or Brexit apparently. fk if I know.
Who has the answers? Who knows. If I could vote 'anyone but Tory' I would. That's pretty much what I'll be doing. Me and about 30/40mil others.
Politician apathy, short termism, and incompetence.I think my leanings at the min are either Lib Dem (tactical) or Reform (with many reservations).
All I know is I'm poorer now, despite making more than ever (pretty much bang on UK average) and I'd like that to change.
Boils down to what we think the reason for it is... Immigrants or Brexit apparently. f
k if I know. Who has the answers? Who knows. If I could vote 'anyone but Tory' I would. That's pretty much what I'll be doing. Me and about 30/40mil others.
Solutions won’t come from a system that allows that leadership model to prevail.
The party won’t make any difference, the system of representation needs changing.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Went to the booth this morning still undecided.
In the end voted cons because of all the people on the list I'd actually heard of and known of the cons representative and what she's achieved. The others were totally faceless (or completely batst like the local independent who is one of these "5G" people).
But also because I just decided that whilst the conservatives are st. At least their brand of st is a known quantity and I can, so far, tolerate it and life isn't too bad. Reform, no. Even if their headlines look palatable to some I doubt they'd be capable of forming a competent crew if they actually got something. It'd be deer in the headlights. Labour do worry me because their headlines are kinda wooly (or pointless eg private schools tax) and seem like more of the same. I think they'd only show their true form once in power and it won't be good. Starmer is entirely beige.
Either way...the cons aren't winning anyway are they so I can't see my vote counting for much. But I'll be dammed if I'm doing tactical votes. You shouldn't have to do that. Labour with a strong opposition would the best to hope for I think. Perhaps having any one party with too much control isn't good however you cut it.
Lots to unpick there. In the end voted cons because of all the people on the list I'd actually heard of and known of the cons representative and what she's achieved. The others were totally faceless (or completely bats
t like the local independent who is one of these "5G" people).But also because I just decided that whilst the conservatives are s
t. At least their brand of st is a known quantity and I can, so far, tolerate it and life isn't too bad. Reform, no. Even if their headlines look palatable to some I doubt they'd be capable of forming a competent crew if they actually got something. It'd be deer in the headlights. Labour do worry me because their headlines are kinda wooly (or pointless eg private schools tax) and seem like more of the same. I think they'd only show their true form once in power and it won't be good. Starmer is entirely beige.Either way...the cons aren't winning anyway are they so I can't see my vote counting for much. But I'll be dammed if I'm doing tactical votes. You shouldn't have to do that. Labour with a strong opposition would the best to hope for I think. Perhaps having any one party with too much control isn't good however you cut it.
But I'll try to address the bold bit...it was said Leave wouldn't win in 2016, so votes aren't going to count for much, might as well vote Leave as a protest. And look what happened.
Secondly, if you don't like the electoral system, then you have to prioritise that in your voting behaviour, and vote for a party which offers electoral reform, regardless of all else. You haven't, and if we keep on doing so, it's never going to change.
Thirdly, outside the bold, if Labour do win a majority, it's immaterial whether it's 30 or 300. There's no such thing as "too much control" in our electoral system. There's control, and no control. Outside of a hung Parliament, that is.
CivicDuties said:
It was said Leave wouldn't win in 2016, so votes aren't going to count for much, might as well vote Leave as a protest. And look what happened.
The decision to leave the EU by the British people eight years ago was not down to people voting leave as a protest when they were Remainers - a protest against what? That is laughable from the Remoaners …It was an IN or OUT decision, very unlike a choice at a general election.
uk66fastback said:
CivicDuties said:
It was said Leave wouldn't win in 2016, so votes aren't going to count for much, might as well vote Leave as a protest. And look what happened.
The decision to leave the EU by the British people eight years ago was not down to people voting leave as a protest when they were Remainers - a protest against what? That is laughable from the Remoaners …It was an IN or OUT decision, very unlike a choice at a general election.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/p...
Either way, using the word remoaner is at best unhelpful and at worst idiotic.
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