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[mko9]

Byker28i said:

mko9 said:

30sec of googling before you post would keep you from looking like an idiot. The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (aka the Motor Voter Law) allows you to register to vote while getting a driver's license. There are 24 States plus the District of Collumbia that automatically register you to vote when you get a driver's licence. You have to opt out of registering to vote. Yes, it is illegal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections, but there is not a whole lot preventing them from doing so.

Except that states have mechanisms to catch that and there's evidence that the few that have have been caught and the issue addressed, such as in 2022, Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, conducted an audit of his state’s voter rolls specifically looking for noncitizens. His office found that 1,634 had attempted to register to vote over a period of 25 years, but election officials had caught all the applications and none had been able to register.

It's been something pushed by trump and the GOP without evidence that Democrats were encouraging illegal migration to the U.S. so they could register the newcomers to vote.

You, mean evidence like this? https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charge... Illegal aliens voting in federal elections. Not many, yes they were caught. But you guys were just saying it was a lie that illegals get registered to vote, and there are mechanisms in place to prevent them even registering.

[sugerbear]

Dagnir said:

sugerbear said:

in a country of 333m + or minus 2100 has hardly any significance. If you have someone of mixed heritage where do you put them in the "black" or "white" camp, what about if they are 25% and 75% white or vice versa. Do you count police shootings in with that statistic? (what if all the black on white shootings are law enforcement?). and so on and so on.

The point of the quote is to stoke up the idea that blacks are a danger to the white community. Nothing else. it's a meaningless statistic.

Well proportionally and compared to the reverse...are they not?

There are many, many such statistics that strongly support this as well. Are they all misleading?

Because the colour of your skin is NOT the reason why you are shooting or being shot.

It's deprivation / poverty / marginalisation / inequality / access to firearms / more policing (or a bias to investigate crimes against white people) . Who knows maybe black people are better at kill shots than white people.

If you want to believe the statistic then Elon believes that shooting/being shot is entirely spontaneous event that is solely based on the colour of your skin.

Edited by sugerbear on Monday 8th July 15:25

[Dagnir]

sugerbear said:

Because the colour of your skin is NOT the reason why you are shooting or being shot.

It's deprivation / poverty / marginalisation / inequality / access to firearms / more policing (or a bias to investigate crimes against white people) . Who knows maybe black people are better at kill shots than white people.

If you want to believe the statistic then Elon believes that shooting/being shot is entirely spontaneous event that is solely based on the colour of your skin.

Edited by sugerbear on Monday 8th July 15:25

I think I'll leave you it...

[thatsprettyshady]

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

[off_again]

mko9 said:

30sec of googling before you post would keep you from looking like an idiot. The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (aka the Motor Voter Law) allows you to register to vote while getting a driver's license. There are 24 States plus the District of Collumbia that automatically register you to vote when you get a driver's licence. You have to opt out of registering to vote. Yes, it is illegal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections, but there is not a whole lot preventing them from doing so.

Thank you for pointing out that there is a fairly wide adoption of the Motor Voter Law and the registration of voters.

However, registering to vote and actually getting the relevant information to vote are two different things. Yes, you could accidentally (seriously, its pretty hard to do this in California as its very clear what the outcome would be if you are ineligible) or deliberately register to vote, but there are a number of back-end processes that will verify your information and if you can actually vote.

You can register, or have this as an opt-out process, but getting the postal voting form or the relevant information to turn up to a polling station is not the same thing. Your details will be checked and a letter will be sent out in advance to confirm your address. As part of this process they (the agencies who do these things) will also verify a number of other aspects for your identity. You then, in California at least, have to then complete the form and return it - again, with very clear information about the legal ramifications involved. Assuming that you get past the opt-out, then past the first line of screening and then complete the form and return it, you will be then checked again and signatures checked etc and then you may then get a valid polling card / ID. Only then can you vote.

Registering to vote and actually being able to vote are two different things I am afraid.

[hidetheelephants]

thatsprettyshady said:

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

Not just a fever dream, a fever dream about something that might possibly happen in the distant future and involves people acquiring the right to vote through due process. Terrifying! It also overlooks the fact naturalised immigrants aren't in any way guaranteed to vote democrat.

[Riff Raff]

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

Not just a fever dream, a fever dream about something that might possibly happen in the distant future and involves people acquiring the right to vote through due process. Terrifying! It also overlooks the fact naturalised immigrants aren't in any way guaranteed to vote democrat.

The Latino vote in Florida springs to mind.

[thatsprettyshady]

Riff Raff said:

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

Not just a fever dream, a fever dream about something that might possibly happen in the distant future and involves people acquiring the right to vote through due process. Terrifying! It also overlooks the fact naturalised immigrants aren't in any way guaranteed to vote democrat.

The Latino vote in Florida springs to mind.

Generally, they vote Dem - https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-st...

(Not necessarily the Latinos in Florida, immigrants in general)

Edited by thatsprettyshady on Monday 8th July 19:17

[dobbo_]

Dagnir said:

durbster said:

He's promoting the notion that the colour of somebody's skin is a meaningful indicator of whether they're going to murder somebody.

Sure he is!

I saw this coming a mile off, you claimed you wanted it explained to you but you already knew what you thought, your questions were in bad faith.

Hence why I said I wasn't going to engage with you which I'm still not, I just wanted to point out that I see through it.

You'll come on here and post a rofl emoji after claiming you needed it explained to you. Utterly transparent.

[hidetheelephants]

thatsprettyshady said:

Riff Raff said:

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

Not just a fever dream, a fever dream about something that might possibly happen in the distant future and involves people acquiring the right to vote through due process. Terrifying! It also overlooks the fact naturalised immigrants aren't in any way guaranteed to vote democrat.

The Latino vote in Florida springs to mind.

Generally, they vote Dem - https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-st...

(Not necessarily the Latinos in Florida, immigrants in general)

What's the beef? Should naturalised citizens not get suffrage?

[thatsprettyshady]

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Riff Raff said:

hidetheelephants said:

thatsprettyshady said:

Regarding the voting thing - The issue for many is not with illegal immigrants being able to vote, it’s more that the kids of the illegals will be able to vote and they will most likely vote Democrat. For them it’s a rare case of politicians thinking beyond their term in office

I think the illegal immigrant vote issue is overblown. As someone already posted, the numbers actually doing this (illegally voting) is super low and they mostly get caught.

Not just a fever dream, a fever dream about something that might possibly happen in the distant future and involves people acquiring the right to vote through due process. Terrifying! It also overlooks the fact naturalised immigrants aren't in any way guaranteed to vote democrat.

The Latino vote in Florida springs to mind.

Generally, they vote Dem - https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-st...

(Not necessarily the Latinos in Florida, immigrants in general)

What's the beef? Should naturalised citizens not get suffrage?

Where are you seeing beef in what I wrote?

[andy_s]

After both Clinton ['imposter President'] and Trump moaned about the last few sets of elections and given the mish-mash, lengthy and imprecise nature of American elections maybe, just maybe, it'd be a good idea to bolt down all avenues of post-hoc querulous honking by running a tight ship. In 9 states that already have tough voter ID there was no real change in votes/voters across the demographics.

[Mortarboard]

off_again said:

Thank you for pointing out that there is a fairly wide adoption of the Motor Voter Law and the registration of voters.

However, registering to vote and actually getting the relevant information to vote are two different things. Yes, you could accidentally (seriously, its pretty hard to do this in California as its very clear what the outcome would be if you are ineligible) or deliberately register to vote, but there are a number of back-end processes that will verify your information and if you can actually vote.

When applying for a license, you need to supply your proof of residency. This clarifies whether or not you're a citizen, which is the only qualification to vote.

So you can't rock up with a visa/green card, and "accidentally" get registered to vote.

M.

[off_again]

Mortarboard said:

off_again said:

Thank you for pointing out that there is a fairly wide adoption of the Motor Voter Law and the registration of voters.

However, registering to vote and actually getting the relevant information to vote are two different things. Yes, you could accidentally (seriously, its pretty hard to do this in California as its very clear what the outcome would be if you are ineligible) or deliberately register to vote, but there are a number of back-end processes that will verify your information and if you can actually vote.

When applying for a license, you need to supply your proof of residency. This clarifies whether or not you're a citizen, which is the only qualification to vote.

So you can't rock up with a visa/green card, and "accidentally" get registered to vote.

M.

Exactly. When I applied for my California drivers license, it was a pain. I assume its almost or exactly the same for other states, but yes you are correct - you need to provide the details at application time and that usually means you need to turn up to a DMV or equivalent. You dont accidentally register to vote.

IIRC I needed to have a SSN before getting a CA DL, but you need to apply for a CA DL within 10 days, but you cant apply for a SSN until after a month (or something like that). Classic chicken and egg situation and nothing I could do. The rules changed slightly, but you also must prove residency, which can be a challenge - again, IIRC, I had to provide 2 (lease, phone bill / internet bill is usually sufficient) on top of your passport with an appropriate and valid visa.

Again, in California and I assume everywhere else, you complete the application (and if you are a legal alien, you get fingerprinted) and then told you will get something in the mail. They then verify the details for what was presented and make sure its valid.

But, your point is valid though - the idea that you can just complete a form online and tick a box to register to vote and then get a drivers license AND a voters card in the post is not true. Combinations of both physical attendance, holding the relevant documentation AND then it being checked after the application has been submitted means that you cannot simply 'accidentally' get registered to vote. Maybe I used the wrong phrasing, but the point is still valid.

I still wonder how an illegal immigrant to California manages to get to vote in the Federal election in November? This came up a while ago on a different thread, and I posed the question - can anyone explain the exact process to do this? Would love to know. If all of these illegals that are streaming across the border are going to skew the election, surely someone knows how to do this?

Bueller?

[Mortarboard]

Usual process is to "borrow" a SSN, but you'd still need a valid birth certificate to be able to register to vote.
That's assuming it's much easier to get a hooky birthcert than naturalization certificate

And as an illegal, would you really want to risk it, just to vote every couple of years?

M.

[Dagnir]

dobbo_ said:

I saw this coming a mile off, you claimed you wanted it explained to you but you already knew what you thought, your questions were in bad faith.

Hence why I said I wasn't going to engage with you which I'm still not, I just wanted to point out that I see through it.

You'll come on here and post a rofl emoji after claiming you needed it explained to you. Utterly transparent.

So if the explanation is absolute nonsense, I should just accept it?

Being shocked at the statistic and replying with an exclamation mark, is in no way saying what is being claimed. That's the kinda of jump a teenage leftist during the height of the culture wars, would make. It's hysterical tripe.

[off_again]

Mortarboard said:

Usual process is to "borrow" a SSN, but you'd still need a valid birth certificate to be able to register to vote.
That's assuming it's much easier to get a hooky birthcert than naturalization certificate

And as an illegal, would you really want to risk it, just to vote every couple of years?

M.

But this is a concerted effort by the Dem's to rig the election though. They print these things off the internet, find a bunch of illegals from around the side of Home Depot and pay them to register to vote. From there, you can rig the election - easy and simple.

Or, maybe the effort required to do this is so high, just to get a few votes, that its really not worth it. I wonder how many hours it would take to get all of that lined up AND then get times booked at the DMV to go through the process....



Yeah, just to vote every couple of years knowing that you are at risk of a years imprisonment and deported from the US with almost no opportunity to ever return. But yeah, lets have some additional laws to stop this thing from happening.

[Mortarboard]

"This thing from happening" is folks voting dem though....

M.

[Byker28i]

[Byker28i]

US DOJ went after 1000 fake accounts on twitter belonging to a russian bot farm who were pretending to be Americans and were promoting Russian government narratives.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-...

Interesting investigation

More here
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1810720241959...