Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[chrispmartha]

PurplePenguin said:

911hope said:

PurplePenguin said:

And yet, still causing political issues which are not insignificant.

Only because the right wing politicians want it that way and their supporters absorb messages without thought.

No. I think there are genuine issues. Do you think the problems will all go away now that there is a left wing government?

Well hopefully they will start being grown up about it rather than rabble rousing pandering to Nigel Farage and constantly fighting a culture war of their own making.

[chrispmartha]

PurplePenguin said:

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

Where did I say that?
I will wait for him to tell me what the “something” is as he obviously knows me and my views…

Ok then. You keep your little secrets.

M.

You’re the one that said I had something I wanted to do but can’t because of the ECHR.
If it’s a secret then how can you know what it is?

Why do you want the UK to leave it then?

Show me where I said that.

What are you going on about then?

You and others keep saying that I want to leave the ECHR. It’s quite simple - show me where I said that.

You were banging on about the government outsourcing its human rights obligations. If you don’t want them to leave, what exactly was your point?

[PurplePenguin]

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

911hope said:

PurplePenguin said:

And yet, still causing political issues which are not insignificant.

Only because the right wing politicians want it that way and their supporters absorb messages without thought.

No. I think there are genuine issues. Do you think the problems will all go away now that there is a left wing government?

Well hopefully they will start being grown up about it rather than rabble rousing pandering to Nigel Farage and constantly fighting a culture war of their own making.

Hopefully they will.

[the-photographer]

PurplePenguin said:

Australia?
However, given that the ECHR doesn’t oversee human rights in all of the world’s countries and there are not widespread human rights abuses in many of those countries - the ECHR is not absolutely essential to maintain human rights QED.

The launch of Amnesty International Australia’s inaugural annual report, the Human Rights Barometer, reveals how Australians are confused about which rights are protected under law. More than half of Australians believe we already have a national Human Rights Act, and when told we’re the only Western liberal democracy without one, 76% said they would support its introduction.

[PurplePenguin]

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

Where did I say that?
I will wait for him to tell me what the “something” is as he obviously knows me and my views…

Ok then. You keep your little secrets.

M.

You’re the one that said I had something I wanted to do but can’t because of the ECHR.
If it’s a secret then how can you know what it is?

Why do you want the UK to leave it then?

Show me where I said that.

What are you going on about then?

You and others keep saying that I want to leave the ECHR. It’s quite simple - show me where I said that.

You were banging on about the government outsourcing its human rights obligations. If you don’t want them to leave, what exactly was your point?

I don’t think I put it like that but feel free to quote my post where I did.

[PurplePenguin]

the-photographer said:

PurplePenguin said:

Australia?
However, given that the ECHR doesn’t oversee human rights in all of the world’s countries and there are not widespread human rights abuses in many of those countries - the ECHR is not absolutely essential to maintain human rights QED.

The launch of Amnesty International Australia’s inaugural annual report, the Human Rights Barometer, reveals how Australians are confused about which rights are protected under law. More than half of Australians believe we already have a national Human Rights Act, and when told we’re the only Western liberal democracy without one, 76% said they would support its introduction.

Is there a big human rights issue in Australia at the moment?
Nothing wrong with a National Human rights act.

[Mortarboard]

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t think I put it like that but feel free to quote my post where I did.

Do you or don't you?

Or are you just being pedantic?

M.

[chrispmartha]

PurplePenguin said:

I suppose you might be right - you think so little of this country and its democratic process, that human rights protection need to be outsourced. I would like to think, as a country, we are better than that. You obviously don’t think any UK government ultimately can be trusted with human rights.

[PurplePenguin]

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t think I put it like that but feel free to quote my post where I did.

Do you or don't you?

Or are you just being pedantic?

M.

Just quote my post

[chrispmartha]

PurplePenguin said:

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t think I put it like that but feel free to quote my post where I did.

Do you or don't you?

Or are you just being pedantic?

M.

Just quote my post

I just have.

[bitchstewie]

Wait all that and you don't think we should leave?

Jesus wept

[bad company]

Dave200 said:

I have no idea why he brought you into this. Probably to distract from his own lies that I've reposted several times for all to see.

Your silly accusations have debunked more than once. I won’t be bothering again.

[PurplePenguin]

chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t think I put it like that but feel free to quote my post where I did.

Do you or don't you?

Or are you just being pedantic?

M.

Just quote my post

I just have.

I don’t specifically call for the UK to leave the ECHR in that post but can see that you could interpret it like that.

[Mortarboard]

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t specifically call for the UK to leave the ECHR in that post but can see that you could interpret it like that.

Pedantic then.
Noted.

M.

[PurplePenguin]

bhstewie said:

Wait all that and you don't think we should leave?

Jesus wept

It’s a discussion. Article 10

[PurplePenguin]

Mortarboard said:

PurplePenguin said:

I don’t specifically call for the UK to leave the ECHR in that post but can see that you could interpret it like that.

Pedantic then.
Noted.

M.

If it makes you happy…

[the-photographer]

PurplePenguin said:

Is there a big human rights issue in Australia at the moment?
Nothing wrong with a National Human rights act.

You can evaluate the report

[Dagnir]

bhstewie said:

Dagnir said:

Do you believe the gun control laws should be changed in the US?

Or...should we just stick to old laws/agreements from different times?

Strange view from a progressive such as yourself...

Personally yes but that's a matter for them and I don't see it changing any time soon.

Likewise we've just put Farage and the Conservatives before the electorate and Farage got less than one percent of the seats available and the Conservatives got wiped out.

Doesn't exactly suggest there's a strong appetite for tearing up the ECHR does it.

I was pointing out that just because it's existing legislation that gives you 'rights', doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing.

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chrispmartha said:

PurplePenguin said:

President Merkin said:

PurplePenguin said:

No. I have taken a different position to you. Your opinion is just a different position to mine.
Your “pelters” are no more than farts in the wind to me

Your continued presence & customary retreat into coarseness suggest otherwise. I would still like you to square the circle of your blind faith in government to perpetually do the right thing & the legal fiction that Rwanda is a safe country.

Arguably, the last government is Disneyland as compared to Farage, you will struggle to put together a reasoned argument I suspect, so I doubt you will try.

I think your own coarse and derogatory language doesn’t really give you the moral high ground.

I think the last government was a st show - maybe Labour will be different but past performance unfortunately is an indicator of future performance - hopefully it will be different this time.

I don’t recall commenting personally on Rwanda etc

Erm past performance? The last Labour government was actually processing the claims in an efficient manner go look at the data

And how many were turning up on the shores 14 years ago?

[bitchstewie]

Dagnir said:

I was pointing out that just because it's existing legislation that gives you 'rights', doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing.

Which of the rights the EHCR gives me is a bad thing for me?