Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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smn159 said:
Not caused by the Tories desperately weaponising immigration and culture wars rather than governing then?
The Tories lost 250 seats. 166 of those, Reform came ahead of them in votes, if you add those 166 back in to the Tories, you get to 287, not a majority & in any case an assumption that every Reform vote would have gone Tory which is ridiculous. If you say 25% go back then you only get 47 seats back which is roughly 1997 levels.Also in lots of those, Reform came 2nd, so it's far from clear Reform would be beneficiaries AND in 84 of those seats, winning every Reform vote wouldn't have kept them in Tory hands - the LD's being big winners there.
Ergo, no doubt Farage cost the Tories dozens of seats but that is far from the whole picture. The Tories collapsed among voter trust.
PurplePenguin said:
Countdown said:
Legacywr said:
119 said:
Well that’s a lot of racists.
4 million?
Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists? 4 million?
Countdown said:
PurplePenguin said:
Countdown said:
Legacywr said:
119 said:
Well that’s a lot of racists.
4 million?
Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists? 4 million?
Countdown said:
You can choose to infer what you like. Reform have made immigration a central plank of their manifesto, much more than other parties. IF you were a racist then why would you vote for any of the others?
Do you believe all Reform voters yesterday, all 4m of them are racists?Only requires a yes or no answer.
119 said:
I don't.
Many here do.
I doubt that. No one can know 4 million people. But we can observe multiple racist incidents involving Reform candidates & activists, sustained over months and disproportionately involving them too. We also see the mealy mouthed excuses, the bullst about crisis actors & never seen him before in my life, guv nonsense. We also see the Reform fans out of the traps like greyhounds whenever it comes up in here. Many here do.
It's fine lads, you love your party & its backwards politics, we'll keep making rational, evidence based judgments about it.
President Merkin said:
119 said:
I don't.
Many here do.
I doubt that. No one can know 4 million people. But we can observe multiple racist incidents involving Reform candidates & activists, sustained over months and disproportionately involving them too. We also see the mealy mouthed excuses, the bullst about crisis actors & never seen him before in my life, guv nonsense. We also see the Reform fans out of the traps like greyhounds whenever it comes up in here. Many here do.
It's fine lads, you love your party & its backwards politics, we'll keep making rational, evidence based judgments about it.
Countdown said:
PurplePenguin said:
Countdown said:
Legacywr said:
119 said:
Well that’s a lot of racists.
4 million?
Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists? 4 million?
swisstoni said:
You seem to be forgetting antisemites. I’ve a fair idea who they voted for.
Reform presumably, given Farage's previous pronouncements?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/j...
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