General Election July 2024
Discussion
biggbn said:
Derek Smith said:
MC Bodge said:
biggbn said:
Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger
He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good. He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.
Castrol for a knave said:
For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.
"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
Possible translation: 'Thank f"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
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(Only joking. Very decent and appropriate response, natch)
beagrizzly said:
Castrol for a knave said:
For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.
"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
Possible translation: 'Thank f"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
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![hehe](/inc/images/hehe.gif)
(Only joking. Very decent and appropriate response, natch)
biggbn said:
Derek Smith said:
MC Bodge said:
biggbn said:
Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger
He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good. He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.
119 said:
biggbn said:
Derek Smith said:
MC Bodge said:
biggbn said:
Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger
He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good. He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.
I have never despised anyone more than that odious individual.
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Castrol for a knave said:
For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.
"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
Rest of the Speech here, quite good:"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.
This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.
I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.
She deserved to win - and I wish her well.
She's got the makings of a very good local MP".
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x91k9c4
(Not the David Davies most of us will be thinking of.)
sugerbear said:
Interesting statistic
UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UKUKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.
If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable
I thought Gillian Keegan was a dreadful local MP, mostly mindlessly tarmacing over her own constituency as fast as she possibly could but she had a point on the flak she got over crumbling schools:
https://youtu.be/dGtuS2mU7-o?si=WT6Ub0ZqMwVKvHw9
https://youtu.be/dGtuS2mU7-o?si=WT6Ub0ZqMwVKvHw9
smn159 said:
sugerbear said:
Interesting statistic
UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UKUKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.
If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable
pheonix478 said:
Sorry but even ignoring his very dubious "friends" his stance on effectively surrendering Ukraine to Russia screams how unfit for any position of responsibility he was. The fact that prior to becoming leader not a single leader of his own party for decades had entrusted him with any kind of roll at all is pretty telling.
You can be decent and personable whilst holding very different views to others.I pretty much entirely disagreed with Corbyn's politics, but that didn't make him (nor me) a bad person.
Edited to add, Frank Field and Tony Benn are better examples.
I'm not sure the actions of other leaders are great barometer either.
Edited by Murph7355 on Friday 5th July 16:32
Murph7355 said:
pheonix478 said:
Sorry but even ignoring his very dubious "friends" his stance on effectively surrendering Ukraine to Russia screams how unfit for any position of responsibility he was. The fact that prior to becoming leader not a single leader of his own party for decades had entrusted him with any kind of roll at all is pretty telling.
You can be decent and personable whilst holding very different views to others.I pretty much entirely disagreed with Corbyn's politics, but that didn't make him (nor me) a bad person.
Edited to add, Frank Field and Tony Benn are better examples.
I'm not sure the actions of other leaders are great barometer either.
Edited by Murph7355 on Friday 5th July 16:32
It was how he was when challenged. As an ideologue, he simply could not rationalise that, and so turned quite nasty a few times on record.
PurplePenguin said:
smn159 said:
sugerbear said:
Interesting statistic
UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UKUKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%
Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.
Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.
If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable
And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!
I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....
Mel Stride you lucky lucky bar steward, 61 votes!
My Indie, Arthur Price only got 455 votes, but I’m feeling rather proud that Im a member of such a select group.
Well, on the astonishingly rare chance that Mel reads this, I’m rather enjoying being an Indie voter old boy, so given that you lost all my households votes and it seems every vote counts for you: bloody good luck getting them back!!
My Indie, Arthur Price only got 455 votes, but I’m feeling rather proud that Im a member of such a select group.
Well, on the astonishingly rare chance that Mel reads this, I’m rather enjoying being an Indie voter old boy, so given that you lost all my households votes and it seems every vote counts for you: bloody good luck getting them back!!
JNW1 said:
Who have been rewarded with over 70 seats in the House of Commons compared to just 4 for Reform. The Greens have the same number of seats as Reform having attracted less than half the number of votes.
And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!
I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....
If we took this outcome as unchanged under a PR system (yes, I know, but it's all we can do) - the outcome there is just as difficult to defend! And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!
I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....
Sway said:
JNW1 said:
Who have been rewarded with over 70 seats in the House of Commons compared to just 4 for Reform. The Greens have the same number of seats as Reform having attracted less than half the number of votes.
And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!
I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....
If we took this outcome as unchanged under a PR system (yes, I know, but it's all we can do) - the outcome there is just as difficult to defend! And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!
I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....
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