47th President of the United States

[g4ry13]

The stories are ramping up that Biden is going to drop out.

Trump vs Harris is looking to be the favourite with the bookies.

[Ian Geary]

g4ry13 said:

The stories are ramping up that Biden is going to drop out.

Trump vs Harris is looking to be the favourite with the bookies.

I wonder if that will land better with American voters better than Trump Vs Hilary did 8 years ago?

[g4ry13]

Ian Geary said:

g4ry13 said:

The stories are ramping up that Biden is going to drop out.

Trump vs Harris is looking to be the favourite with the bookies.

I wonder if that will land better with American voters better than Trump Vs Hilary did 8 years ago?

I think Kamala has solidified herself as one of the most useless VPs. I'm not sure whether the electorate would come out in droves to vote for her.

[thatsprettyshady]

g4ry13 said:

Ian Geary said:

g4ry13 said:

The stories are ramping up that Biden is going to drop out.

Trump vs Harris is looking to be the favourite with the bookies.

I wonder if that will land better with American voters better than Trump Vs Hilary did 8 years ago?

I think Kamala has solidified herself as one of the most useless VPs. I'm not sure whether the electorate would come out in droves to vote for her.

She's like Hillary, but worse in every way - I don't see her being the nominee.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

3rd July 2024. A gap appears.



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/pol...

[paulguitar]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

3rd July 2024. A gap appears.



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/pol...

Paywalled.

[williamp]

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

[g4ry13]

williamp said:

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

I think the media were pretty aware. Certain outlets just chose not to highlight the issue.

Now that there's deep concern about losing the power to Republicans the knives are out.

[paulguitar]

g4ry13 said:

williamp said:

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

I think the media were pretty aware. Certain outlets just chose not to highlight the issue.

Now that there's deep concern about losing the power to Republicans the knives are out.

The waters have also been muddied by endless doctored videos doing the rounds,—some of them here on PH. That was counterproductive for those making and spreading them, it probably just delayed those who were unsure accepting that there could genuinely be an issue.


Also, speaking as someone who sees the possibility of another trump term as very concerning, to put it mildly, there has been a natural instinct to hope that all has been okay with Biden and that there is no problem with him.

[Byker28i]

paulguitar said:

g4ry13 said:

williamp said:

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

I think the media were pretty aware. Certain outlets just chose not to highlight the issue.

Now that there's deep concern about losing the power to Republicans the knives are out.

The waters have also been muddied by endless doctored videos doing the rounds,—some of them here on PH. That was counterproductive for those making and spreading them, it probably just delayed those who were unsure accepting that there could genuinely be an issue.


Also, speaking as someone who sees the possibility of another trump term as very concerning, to put it mildly, there has been a natural instinct to hope that all has been okay with Biden and that there is no problem with him.

I still find it quite incredible that despite all his flaws, crimes and everything trump says and does, that he's still the presumptive nominated GOP candidate and no-ones calling for him to drop out. Felon, sexual offender, multiple failed bankrupt, his business found guilty of multiple crimes.

Biden has delivered over the last 3.5 years, has one poor performance because he was busy before, and sudenly it's all 'Biden needs to drop out'.

trump has months of poor performances, glitches, word salads, convictions - nothing...

I don't think as in 2020 anyone on PH is saying Biden is their preferred Dem candidate, but against trump and his values? Really.

Shows how far the GOP has dropped - so much for the party of law and order

[paulguitar]

Byker28i said:

I still find it quite incredible that despite all his flaws, crimes and everything trump says and does, that he's still the presumptive nominated GOP candidate and no-ones calling for him to drop out. Felon, sexual offender, multiple failed bankrupt, his business found guilty of multiple crimes.

Biden has delivered over the last 3.5 years, has one poor performance because he was busy before, and sudenly it's all 'Biden needs to drop out'.

trump has months of poor performances, glitches, word salads, convictions - nothing...

I don't think as in 2020 anyone on PH is saying Biden is their preferred Dem candidate, but against trump and his values? Really.

Shows how far the GOP has dropped - so much for the party of law and order

I've given up trying to understand the trump thing. Perhaps he's normalised the insanity by just doing his act for many years, and people are completely desensitized. I've made the point before that no president at all would be far, far better than trump as president. The possibility is utterly surreal.

[simon_harris]

Byker28i said:

I still find it quite incredible that despite all his flaws, crimes and everything trump says and does, that he's still the presumptive nominated GOP candidate and no-ones calling for him to drop out. Felon, sexual offender, multiple failed bankrupt, his business found guilty of multiple crimes.

Biden has delivered over the last 3.5 years, has one poor performance because he was busy before, and sudenly it's all 'Biden needs to drop out'.

trump has months of poor performances, glitches, word salads, convictions - nothing...

I don't think as in 2020 anyone on PH is saying Biden is their preferred Dem candidate, but against trump and his values? Really.

Shows how far the GOP has dropped - so much for the party of law and order

This is a post really quite divorced from reality.

Plenty have been calling for Trump to drop out, loudly proclaiming from the rooftops that he should not be the candidate etc.

Biden has not had "one poor performance" it has been months and months of increasingly obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes of poorer and poorer performances.

Both the GOP and the Democrats are making it plainly obvious that all that really matters is grabbing (or holding onto) the reins of power at all costs and will do whatever they think it takes to give them the best chance of that. Serving the population for the good of all has long since fallen by the wayside.

If you were able to take a step back from your blind obsession with Trumps myriad faults and took an objective look at Biden and the democrats you would be able to see that.

[Byker28i]

simon_harris said:

This is a post really quite divorced from reality.

Plenty have been calling for Trump to drop out, loudly proclaiming from the rooftops that he should not be the candidate etc.

Biden has not had "one poor performance" it has been months and months of increasingly obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes of poorer and poorer performances.

Both the GOP and the Democrats are making it plainly obvious that all that really matters is grabbing (or holding onto) the reins of power at all costs and will do whatever they think it takes to give them the best chance of that. Serving the population for the good of all has long since fallen by the wayside.

If you were able to take a step back from your blind obsession with Trumps myriad faults and took an objective look at Biden and the democrats you would be able to see that.

Really, the usual objectors like Kinzinger, Cheney have called for trump to not run, but hardly anything like the current storm being whipped up against Biden. In fact you say many of the GOP dress up in trump uniforms to break his gag order for him at his trial.

Again, Biden isn't my preferred candidate for the Dems, I've said it many times, and said the same in 2020. But whilst it's trump vs Biden, how anyone can support trump really astonishes me.

Blind obsession, thats you're take on attempting to point out trumps failures and unsuitability. Realistically 'blind obsession' is the trump cult, prepared to ignore every lie he tells, his character flaws, faults, morals, whilst trying to project all of trumps failings onto Biden.

Who fell asleep during his trials, who jumbles words all the time, talks absolute gibberish at times with his word salads, loses track, yet here you are projecting all that onto Biden, whilst it's not an issue that trumps been doing this progressively worse for months...

As I said - I find it weird

[simon_harris]

The sentence that belies your lack of objectivity is "one poor performance" you refuse to see the evidence in front of you when it comes to Biden.

All you will see is how bad Trump is and anything that isn't that, or does not reflect or reinforce that view is bad/wrong.

Every single thing you post about Trump could be 100% factually correct and true but that does not mean that the negatives about Biden are also not true.

One poor performance - it is laughable really.

This is the problem with political discourse these days people are determined to have a "side" and if you are not on that side then you must be the enemy and denigrated, belittled and ultimately ignored.

[g4ry13]

paulguitar said:

g4ry13 said:

williamp said:

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

I think the media were pretty aware. Certain outlets just chose not to highlight the issue.

Now that there's deep concern about losing the power to Republicans the knives are out.

The waters have also been muddied by endless doctored videos doing the rounds,—some of them here on PH. That was counterproductive for those making and spreading them, it probably just delayed those who were unsure accepting that there could genuinely be an issue.


Also, speaking as someone who sees the possibility of another trump term as very concerning, to put it mildly, there has been a natural instinct to hope that all has been okay with Biden and that there is no problem with him.

I'm not sure the videos have been doctored as much as people claim. There have certainly been many gaffes over the years which did happen eg. the bicycle clip, the Air Force One stairs to name a few.

As for your second point: I believe that's also known as "burying your head in the sand".

[paulguitar]

g4ry13 said:

paulguitar said:

g4ry13 said:

williamp said:

I still find it astonioshing that a) the media have only just noticed this, afyer many, many years of silence; and that there are some on here (and the 45 thread) who still dont see anything wrong with Biden, and that its Trump who has dementia)

I think the media were pretty aware. Certain outlets just chose not to highlight the issue.

Now that there's deep concern about losing the power to Republicans the knives are out.

The waters have also been muddied by endless doctored videos doing the rounds,—some of them here on PH. That was counterproductive for those making and spreading them, it probably just delayed those who were unsure accepting that there could genuinely be an issue.


Also, speaking as someone who sees the possibility of another trump term as very concerning, to put it mildly, there has been a natural instinct to hope that all has been okay with Biden and that there is no problem with him.

I'm not sure the videos have been doctored as much as people claim. There have certainly been many gaffes over the years which did happen eg. the bicycle clip, the Air Force One stairs to name a few.

As for your second point: I believe that's also known as "burying your head in the sand".

My point here is that there was no need to doctor the videos and spread disinformation, doing so spread distrust and probably made the genuine stuff less impactful. That said, just about any bloke of Biden's age is going to stumble and have issues, but these are obviously magnified when the old bloke in question is POTUS.


My head is completely out of the sand. I think Biden is too old and I have said so for some time. And at the debate, he looked like he'd bumbled in directly from an old folks' home.


Having said all of this, I see pretty much any scenario as preferable to a trump return, in particular following the extraordinary recent behaviour of the SCOTUS.

[Pan Pan Pan]

As the last member of the audience stated at the recent TV debate between Sunak and Starmer.
We live in a country of 70 million and you two are the best we could find to lead the country??

Americans live in an even bigger country, with even more people in it, and all they could come up with is Biden and Trump?
Ye Gods!!!!

[g4ry13]

Pan Pan Pan said:

As the last member of the audience stated at the recent TV debate between Sunak and Starmer.
We live in a country of 70 million and you two are the best we could find to lead the country??

Americans live in an even bigger country, with even more people in it, and all they could come up with is Biden and Trump?
Ye Gods!!!!

Money talks.

The quality of their presidents / presidential candidates have always been a bit questionable.

Edited by g4ry13 on Thursday 4th July 11:08