Your Voting Intentions Part 2.0 (End Is Nigh)

[Kermit power]

JagLover said:

Kermit power said:

Stick Legs said:

As someone who has voted Tory in every election I have been eligible for I cannot bring myself to this time.

I always saw myself as a ‘Ken Clarke’ Tory. They have abandoned that side of their nature.

The Conservative Party always stood for fiscal prudence, low taxes, a resistance to faddism & competence.
The most efficient election winning machine in the democratic world.
The have trashed that.

May, Johnson, Truss & Sunak. Hopeless weather cock politicians.

I shall be voting Reform for one reason only and that is to assist in the final downfall of the Conservatives.

European Membership is gone, we can’t bring it back, now we are out we should use the opportunity to do something better, not to try & align ourselves as closely as possibly in the hope they’ll still be our friends.

I know that Reform won’t get it, but if it signals a mood in the country that Labour can’t just tax & spend their way through the next (probably 3 terms) then it is worthwhile.

The only signal that a Reform vote sends to anyone is that the numpties who destroyed "your" Conservative Party (and mine for that matter) had exactly the right idea but just weren't ambitious enough.

No they did not have the "right idea". The Conservatives betrayed their base with the decisions made by May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

It was not policies not being ambitious enough but policies the opposite to what a big chunk of their supporters wanted.

I include Sunak on the list but by comparison he is actually just the work experience lad left running the company when everyone else had crashed and burned, most of the damage had already been done.

2019...

Tory landslide victory announced with a plan to "get Brexit done" and stop immigration.

2024...

Obviously still no benefits from Brexit and more immigration than ever but with a repugnant headline policy to send asylum speakers to an African hell hole.

Reform release a manifesto to withdraw even further from Europe and get even more racist. People vote for Reform.

2025 onwards at CCO...

If only we'd actually managed to leave the ECHR and sent some bloody foreigners to Rwanda, the people would've still loved us! We must be more racist and insular at the next GE!!!

[Kermit power]

Essarell said:

After the last 14 (wasted) years I could never endorse the conservatives, they leave the country broken, crumbling infrastructure and a civil service that’s simply self serving.

With labour’s previous with the EU and Keir Starmers salivating enthusiasm to keep locking / circuit breaking the country down late into 2021 I could never again vote Labour. Also, I just don’t trust the man or those he has surrounded himself with.

I’ve postal voted Reform, we desperately need change, every ocean started as a single raindrop etc.

I don't like any of these frying pans, so I've jumped into the fire.

[Essarell]

Kermit power said:

Essarell said:

After the last 14 (wasted) years I could never endorse the conservatives, they leave the country broken, crumbling infrastructure and a civil service that’s simply self serving.

With labour’s previous with the EU and Keir Starmers salivating enthusiasm to keep locking / circuit breaking the country down late into 2021 I could never again vote Labour. Also, I just don’t trust the man or those he has surrounded himself with.

I’ve postal voted Reform, we desperately need change, every ocean started as a single raindrop etc.

I don't like any of these frying pans, so I've jumped into the fire.

Indeed, we do however need change, nothing ever got better by sticking to the same old rancid recipe…..

[MC Bodge]

Essarell said:

Kermit power said:

Essarell said:

After the last 14 (wasted) years I could never endorse the conservatives, they leave the country broken, crumbling infrastructure and a civil service that’s simply self serving.

With labour’s previous with the EU and Keir Starmers salivating enthusiasm to keep locking / circuit breaking the country down late into 2021 I could never again vote Labour. Also, I just don’t trust the man or those he has surrounded himself with.

I’ve postal voted Reform, we desperately need change, every ocean started as a single raindrop etc.

I don't like any of these frying pans, so I've jumped into the fire.

Indeed, we do however need change, nothing ever got better by sticking to the same old rancid recipe…..

"What it needs is a new man, a new man that campaigned for years to us to go forth (ok, backwards and inwards) and enter the Promised Land of milk and honey, whilst making a few bob. The Promised Land wasn't actually very good, so we won't talk about that, and Donald Trump hasn't given him any more work recently, so he is now going to lead us all to the new and improved Promised Land. He seems legit, trustworthy and not at all a grifter"

[Essarell]

MC Bodge said:

Essarell said:

Kermit power said:

Essarell said:

After the last 14 (wasted) years I could never endorse the conservatives, they leave the country broken, crumbling infrastructure and a civil service that’s simply self serving.

With labour’s previous with the EU and Keir Starmers salivating enthusiasm to keep locking / circuit breaking the country down late into 2021 I could never again vote Labour. Also, I just don’t trust the man or those he has surrounded himself with.

I’ve postal voted Reform, we desperately need change, every ocean started as a single raindrop etc.

I don't like any of these frying pans, so I've jumped into the fire.

Indeed, we do however need change, nothing ever got better by sticking to the same old rancid recipe…..

"What it needs is a new man, a new man that campaigned for years to us to go forth (ok, backwards and inwards) and enter the Promised Land of milk and honey, whilst making a few bob. The Promised Land wasn't actually very good, so we won't talk about that, and Donald Trump hasn't given him any more work recently, so he is now going to lead us all to the new and improved Promised Land. He seems legit, trustworthy and not at all a grifter"

He is however doing two important things, disrupting the current malignant status quo within politics and stimulating the debate.

[RustyMX5]

Stick Legs said:

I think it’s funny that 30% of those responding to the poll say they’re voting Reform.

I put my reasons forward and I have had a que of people telling me I am wrong.

Probably more responses than to any other post I have put on here.

I'm voting Lib Dem because the candidate has lived and worked in her constituency for over 20 years and does a lot to support people in the area.
I can't vote Conservative because despite being voted in for the last 14 years, he's done absolutely nothing whatsoever for his constituency.
I can't vote Labour because the candidate was bussed in from the Midlands about 2 years ago.
I'm wary of the Reform Candidate because although he's been local for a while he's flip flopped between the Tories, UKIP, Brexit and now Reform.

From the perspective of what the candidate will do for my area, the Lib Dems win. From the perspective of which party has the policies which align most with my political leaning, I'd hold my nose and vote Reform.

[Hants PHer]

I have decided to base my vote on what each candidate says they will do for the local area. That's because I don't think any of the national parties, at UK level, will be any good. I repeat, not voting, or spoiling my ballot paper are not options for me: YMMV.

I have six candidates to choose from, and the only one who offers detailed proposals for this area is the Conservative candidate. The others all repeat national policies such as "get the NHS back on its feet" (Labour) with nothing specific about this constituency.

One of my top issues is the chaotic GP practice I'm forced to use. It is utterly useless. The Conservative candidate wants to establish new walk in centres at the local shopping centre and the local community hospital. Oh, and he also wants to tackle the antisocial night time driving that blights this area, another key issue for local residents, including me. There's other stuff too, but as the only one who seems bothered about local issues, he'll get my vote.

Edit - just seen your post RustyMX5, which says something similar to mine. Great minds etc.

Edited by Hants PHer on Friday 28th June 11:16

[crankedup5]

S600BSB said:

hidetheelephants said:

People are free to vote for an amoral grifter and his motley collection of kooks and racists, that's the wonder of democracy.

Indeed - you get the government you deserve.

Hmmmmm! unfortunately it looks very much like we are going to get a Government that we don’t deserve

[MC Bodge]

RustyMX5 said:

From the perspective of which party has the policies which align most with my political leaning, I'd hold my nose and vote Reform.

And what would those be? Are they even remotely achievable?

[S600BSB]

crankedup5 said:

S600BSB said:

hidetheelephants said:

People are free to vote for an amoral grifter and his motley collection of kooks and racists, that's the wonder of democracy.

Indeed - you get the government you deserve.

Hmmmmm! unfortunately it looks very much like we are going to get a Government that we don’t deserve

Are you on the mend now Crank?

[Gecko1978]

MC Bodge said:

RustyMX5 said:

From the perspective of which party has the policies which align most with my political leaning, I'd hold my nose and vote Reform.

And what would those be? Are they even remotely achievable?

I want more money in my pocket so I can choose the services I want to consume health education etc. What I don't want is less money in my pocket and then to be told look everyone now has access to the Dacia Duster version of public services.

[Roderick Spode]

MC Bodge said:

RustyMX5 said:

From the perspective of which party has the policies which align most with my political leaning, I'd hold my nose and vote Reform.

And what would those be? Are they even remotely achievable?

If we could only vote for manifestos that were achievable, we may as well all stay home and play Scrabble. Manifestos are nothing more than a wish list of nebulous proposals the parties float to convince the undecided to vote for them. Most of it never gets implemented, and often parties implement policies that weren't in their manifestos.

[Kermit power]

Gecko1978 said:

I want more money in my pocket so I can choose the services I want to consume health education etc. What I don't want is less money in my pocket and then to be told look everyone now has access to the Dacia Duster version of public services.

That's fine so long as you can afford the services you want to consume.

You might think "I can afford school fees", but what if you have surprise twins, you can't afford double the school fees and your local state schools are basket cases because taxes have been cut, leading to their funding being cut too?

You may also think "I can afford health insurance", which you doubtless can, but what if you pick up a condition that insurance won't cover? All told, T1 diabetes, for example, might cost the NHS £10k a year to treat, and you may need treatment for 6-7 decades. Have you got that much cash kicking around?

There are various services where it makes absolute sense to have a properly decent jointly funded service.

[MC Bodge]

Gecko1978 said:

I want more money in my pocket so I can choose the services I want to consume health education etc. What I don't want is less money in my pocket and then to be told look everyone now has access to the Dacia Duster version of public services.

Have you ever been to the US, outside of tourist areas?

[5 In a Row]

Hants PHer said:

I have decided to base my vote on what each candidate says they will do for the local area. That's because I don't think any of the national parties, at UK level, will be any good. I repeat, not voting, or spoiling my ballot paper are not options for me: YMMV.

I have six candidates to choose from, and the only one who offers detailed proposals for this area is the Conservative candidate. The others all repeat national policies such as "get the NHS back on its feet" (Labour) with nothing specific about this constituency.

One of my top issues is the chaotic GP practice I'm forced to use. It is utterly useless. The Conservative candidate wants to establish new walk in centres at the local shopping centre and the local community hospital. Oh, and he also wants to tackle the antisocial night time driving that blights this area, another key issue for local residents, including me. There's other stuff too, but as the only one who seems bothered about local issues, he'll get my vote.

That's great.

Just out of interest, assuming your constituency is already Conservative, then how is your Conservative candidate going to achieve these things post-election when he could've, presumably, also achieved them over the previous 14 years (or longer if your constituency was already Conservative prior to 2010)?

[Hants PHer]

5 In a Row said:

Just out of interest, assuming your constituency is already Conservative, then how is your Conservative candidate going to achieve these things post-election when he could've, presumably, also achieved them over the previous 14 years (or longer if your constituency was already Conservative prior to 2010)?

Ours is a new constituency called Hamble Valley. We were previously Fareham and the MP was Suella Braverman; had it stayed as it was I would definitely not have voted for her, since she never really expressed any interest in the local area.

Will the Conservative candidate change much if he wins (Paul Holmes is his name)? Hard to say, especially if he's in a small minority of Tory MP's. But at least he's showing interest in local issues, which neither the incumbent nor any of the other candidates have or are doing.

[5 In a Row]

Hants PHer said:

Ours is a new constituency called Hamble Valley. We were previously Fareham and the MP was Suella Braverman; had it stayed as it was I would definitely not have voted for her, since she never really expressed any interest in the local area.

Will the Conservative candidate change much if he wins (Paul Holmes is his name)? Hard to say, especially if he's in a small minority of Tory MP's. But at least he's showing interest in local issues, which neither the incumbent nor any of the other candidates have or are doing.

Fair enough, I'm in a constituency that was created decades ago so no similar issues.
I imagine a huge number of voters will be looking at local performance to make a voting decision.

[Fast and Spurious]

Reform on 30%!!!!

[Countdown]

Essarell said:

He is however doing two important things, disrupting the current malignant status quo within politics and stimulating the debate.

He's a snake-oil salesman preaching to the gullible. He's the far-right Corbyn.

[Essarell]

Countdown said:

Essarell said:

He is however doing two important things, disrupting the current malignant status quo within politics and stimulating the debate.

He's a snake-oil salesman preaching to the gullible. He's the far-right Corbyn.

I think you’re arguing with yourself there