Private schools, times a changing?

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Will have to stop people shopping at farm shops and Waitrose at this rate. Bloody families buying good food and giving their kids an advantage.

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Zolvaro said:

It's not about stopping people giving their kids an advantage, it's about giving some kids a chance.

This isn’t rural India. It’s the U.K. and of one wants to do something then the possibility is there for any and everyone.

You can’t change stty parents and they as referenced above likely going to be the main factor in a kid not making the most of their potential because while the system isn’t perfect, it’s certainly better than most.

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Zolvaro said:

Ok bubble boy! Well that new system means will be you have to cough up an extra 20%, so deal with it.

These kids "taking" places from poor little privately educated students, they will have good parents and they will have worked hard, and I welcome the fact they are being given a chance to study an elite university.

I don’t care about 20%. I only care for the reasons ‘why’.

Cambridge have dropped it so I’d imagine it’ll be back to what it was in the not too distant.

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Zolvaro said:

The irony here is that somebody was complaining earlier in the thread that state school kids were stealing private school kids places, when in fact it's the reverse.

Edited by Zolvaro on Tuesday 2nd July 14:38

Why have you put your kids into private school? Seems a lot of noise you’re making to completely undermine your points?

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Zolvaro said:

Unlike you I care about things that aren't in my little bubble.

How have I undermined my own points? I said private school kids are more likely to get into Oxbridge which they are, and it seems they also pretending to be state school kids for a bit to get an even bigger share of the places.

So why add to the ‘problem’ - just use state schools?

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Letter from school saying they’ll absorb a proportion of the VAT.

Also said it will know how it can be challenged legally as soon as there is a draft legislation.

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p1stonhead said:

Shadow education secretary said on the radio this morning it’s one of their first things on the list in the coming few weeks

I can see it grinding to a halt when they finally do write down a single policy on anything in an official manner.

Anyway, sounds like it will barely affect me fiscally, waste of everyone’s time. Big wealthy schools which contain the most kids on bursaries and have the best facilities that the public get a use of will easily weather it and bin most of the benefits to the common man that voted against it.

It’s hilarious really.

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GT03ROB said:

There will be working people in £1m houses, earning less than 100k & where are they going to find £20k from to pay that?

The same can be said all the way up to £3-4m plus really.

It would be mental to do that without some kind of lever to protect people that had either been there fking ages or people that just bought. I’ve just bought a house and there isn’t that amount of slack in the budget unless I want to not save for my future.

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PhilboSE said:

It’s the most insidious form of taxation. The houses I’ve bought have come from earned income on which I’ve paid the highest levels of tax. And then I’ve paid stamp duty bills running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. All of which is ok, and priced into my affordability calculations at the time. It’s egregious to come along after the event and now say “it’s only fair you pay £xx,000 more every year”. There’s just no basis for it, other than the simple minded “you’re rich, we’ll have your money”, totally disregarding the tax contribution made to get to that point.

Agree. Especially as someone buying a house just now.

Those sorts of taxes would be enough to make me seriously consider this country as somewhere I’d want to stay.

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castex said:

Don't let the door hit you, David, on your way out.

Any experience doing any of those things or?

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Notreallymeeither said:

And working people in £1m houses with very considerable mortgages and little equity.

Remortgage and offshore bond the equity it is

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Zj2002 said:

You seem to be creaming yourself at the thought of the masses, monkeys, scum feeling worse off.

Does that validate the superiority that you evidently feel over these people?

You’ve missed his point because you’re so blinded by your own shoulder potato.

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Zj2002 said:

Knew it wouldn’t be long until you piped up. Two checks of the same smug arse.

Luckily you’ve provided the front genitalia then isn’t it

Do you disagree with what he said? If so, why?

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To be decent at any endurance sport requires similar levels of training. Probably more in some cases.

Just rowers boring on about the early starts which they only do as presumably the traffic on the river/wind conditions make it impossible later in the day

I’m sure the fact it’s such a big part of sporting life at Oxbridge probably helps keep it a staple of schools in the private sector.

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Bit off topic but I live near Herne Hill velodrome which has turned out many world tour (one I used to race against each week is currently riding in the Tour De France) cyclists as they all trained on the track with one particular club who had a great youth program, I’d imagine most of them are state school kids.

If the opportunity is there, any kid of any background will take it. Sadly this is one of the drivers for me pushing for private, tho one opportunities are indulged and just about everything is on offer. Still takes natural talent but far higher change of finding that in a place that is encouraging and diverse with its sporting (and whatever else) programme.

15% of the premier league are kids from South London, from mostly poor backgrounds with only access to football cages. Another example of talent finding a way if there’s the facility and inclination.

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Puzzles said:

I totted up today the fees for my local independent school, assuming a 7% return in an ISA it's school fees vs £600k, thats could provide a great start too.

Best to do both, just to be sure

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I’m baffled by this idea that £300k ( could be 1 years earnings in a decent job) is worth more than an excellent and well rounded education that lasts for life.

Many people scrape together private school money to pay for nursery, are they all rich too? Of course not, nursery is seen as totally common with working parents.

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Many kids join at 4 where their natural intelligence is difficult to predict and they’ve never set foot in the state system so are no loss to it.

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That’s too hard though. And doesn’t appeal to their voter base.

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Leithen said:

Paid a year in advance pre election. I wonder how many paid for more than one year.

I figured probably investments will outperform it if the school swallow a chunk which I suspect they will. Or it’ll be so marginal that the hit to cash flow wouldn’t be worth it.

I wonder if it will be challenged legally..