Now Gordon wants your organs
Discussion
mitzy said:
G'kar said:
mitzy said:
I have a doner card and have had it for over 10 years.
Me too. 15% off and extra chilli sauce. 
Please let me know when you have to make that choice which I hope you dont have to.
We can all have a chukcle at your comments.
Edited by mitzy on Monday 17th November 16:47
G'kar said:
mitzy said:
G'kar said:
mitzy said:
I have a doner card and have had it for over 10 years.
Me too. 15% off and extra chilli sauce. Please let me know when you have to make that choice which I hope you dont have to.
We can all have a chukcle at your comments.
Edited by mitzy on Monday 17th November 16:47
elster said:
Do you know how many organs are taken for transplants.....out of the millions of people...next to none.
Which is why when I need a kidney transplant I wont get one.
King Herald said:
elster said:
Do you know how many organs are taken for transplants.....out of the millions of people...next to none.
Which is why when I need a kidney transplant I wont get one.
I think the idea of implied consent is utterly abhorrent. The current system is poorly managed and there is already a huge amount of wastage as countless registered donors do not have their organs harvested after their death (or more specifically deaths that leave viable organs, after all, you wouldn't want to receive the liver of someone who had died of liver failure!).
If the system of implied consent is introduced this would massively change the relationship between intensivists (the doctors who work in ITU), the patient and the patient's family. How would you like to be looked after by someone who you might feel (rightly or wrongly) is simply waiting for you to die so they can whip out your organs and give them to someone else?!
Not wishing to cast a cynical stone into the pond to stir the waters but is it just me, or is this rather coincidental timing given the fact that Gordy's sprog has been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and is therefore pretty much a dead cert for needing a new pair of lungs in a few years?
:donsflameproofsuitandrunsforcover:
If the system of implied consent is introduced this would massively change the relationship between intensivists (the doctors who work in ITU), the patient and the patient's family. How would you like to be looked after by someone who you might feel (rightly or wrongly) is simply waiting for you to die so they can whip out your organs and give them to someone else?!
Not wishing to cast a cynical stone into the pond to stir the waters but is it just me, or is this rather coincidental timing given the fact that Gordy's sprog has been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and is therefore pretty much a dead cert for needing a new pair of lungs in a few years?
:donsflameproofsuitandrunsforcover:
SiH said:
I think the idea of implied consent is utterly abhorrent. The current system is poorly managed and there is already a huge amount of wastage as countless registered donors do not have their organs harvested after their death (or more specifically deaths that leave viable organs, after all, you wouldn't want to receive the liver of someone who had died of liver failure!).
If the system of implied consent is introduced this would massively change the relationship between intensivists (the doctors who work in ITU), the patient and the patient's family. How would you like to be looked after by someone who you might feel (rightly or wrongly) is simply waiting for you to die so they can whip out your organs and give them to someone else?!
Not wishing to cast a cynical stone into the pond to stir the waters but is it just me, or is this rather coincidental timing given the fact that Gordy's sprog has been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and is therefore pretty much a dead cert for needing a new pair of lungs in a few years?
:donsflameproofsuitandrunsforcover:
Strange that he (GB) needs personal involvement before taking decisions such as these (and not for the first time either)If the system of implied consent is introduced this would massively change the relationship between intensivists (the doctors who work in ITU), the patient and the patient's family. How would you like to be looked after by someone who you might feel (rightly or wrongly) is simply waiting for you to die so they can whip out your organs and give them to someone else?!
Not wishing to cast a cynical stone into the pond to stir the waters but is it just me, or is this rather coincidental timing given the fact that Gordy's sprog has been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and is therefore pretty much a dead cert for needing a new pair of lungs in a few years?
:donsflameproofsuitandrunsforcover:
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
wow... how selfish do you sound.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
I'm a blood donor, and i will be an organ donor when i die. I'm very happy to think that some parts of me will be able to save someones life after i'm gone.
superlightr said:
Its not a problem if you are dead. really dead. But as I understand it for most cases the organs to be of any use the donor has to be alive, preped and then organs removed then they die.
What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
Patient - uncosious and thinking keep on working me docs' dont give up on me just yet, I might make it but then hears them say - never mind give up now we need his bits for another...
What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
Patient - uncosious and thinking keep on working me docs' dont give up on me just yet, I might make it but then hears them say - never mind give up now we need his bits for another...
Edited by superlightr on Monday 17th November 13:17
My concerns too.Blukoo said:
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
wow... how selfish do you sound.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
I'm a blood donor, and i will be an organ donor when i die. I'm very happy to think that some parts of me will be able to save someones life after i'm gone.
Nick_F said:
Blukoo said:
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
wow... how selfish do you sound.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
I'm a blood donor, and i will be an organ donor when i die. I'm very happy to think that some parts of me will be able to save someones life after i'm gone.
Gordon's probably after some new eyeballs...
elster said:
Why must you all try and say if this what is the next step.
What if this is actually a good step?
I think quite a few of us are tinfoil hat-free, thanks. No need for a 'next step' to worry.What if this is actually a good step?
The idea is abhorrent. Consent can be given, but never taken or assumed.
Edited by grumbledoak on Monday 17th November 22:10
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