Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[Vanden Saab]

911hope said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

If you voted for anyone other than labour's strongest reval(sic) in you constituency, then it benefited Labour.

In what way, I was not going to vote for the Conservatives or Labour so my vote made no difference to the result regardless of who won.
You do not seem to understand even the basics of how voting works.

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

You just need to believe more in order for it to be a success.

[Elysium]

Killboy said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

You just need to believe more in order for it to be a success.

No amount of belief is going to make Starmer a success.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/05/the-se...

The Telegraph said:

It is likely that Labour has done little better in terms of vote share than it did in 2017, and it is led by a man who will have the lowest favourability rating of any incoming Prime Minister, ever.

[B'stard Child]

911hope said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

If you voted for anyone other than labour's strongest reval in you constituency, then it benefited Labour.

Jesus fella you are just never gonna be happy

I was going to spoil my paper your comments convinced me to actually vote for a candidate

I voted MRLP and I'm quite sad that yet again he lost his deposit

I am fking happy that Liz Truss got her P45

[turbobloke]

Elysium said:

Killboy said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

You just need to believe more in order for it to be a success.

No amount of belief is going to make Starmer a success.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/05/the-se...

The Telegraph said:

It is likely that Labour has done little better in terms of vote share than it did in 2017, and it is led by a man who will have the lowest favourability rating of any incoming Prime Minister, ever.

He needs to do a good job - after showing no signs in opposition that such belief will be justified. Credit for the story so far is purely self-inflicted (gov't).

[Legacywr]

Farage saying he’s going to be targeting Labour votes…

[anonymous-user]

Elysium said:

Killboy said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

You just need to believe more in order for it to be a success.

No amount of belief is going to make Starmer a success.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/05/the-se...

The Telegraph said:

It is likely that Labour has done little better in terms of vote share than it did in 2017, and it is led by a man who will have the lowest favourability rating of any incoming Prime Minister, ever.

Yeah, I think you need to put down the telegraph.

[tamore]

favourability..,… what a load of st! i don't care if he has the charisma of a dog turd. i want good government, not a TV personality.

I have never voted labour until today. truss made me do that in the faint hope that 'things can only get better'. someone should write a song containing that line.

[CraigyMc]

tamore said:

favourability..,… what a load of st! i don't care if he has the charisma of a dog turd. i want good government, not a TV personality.

I have never voted labour until today. truss made me do that in the faint hope that 'things can only get better'. someone should write a song containing that line.

If you voted today I have bad news...

[PRTVR]

Legacywr said:

Farage saying he’s going to be targeting Labour votes…

Which is going to be easy, take immigration, labour are going to fail miserably, the migrants in France were happy that Labour are in power, the end of any chance of going to Rwanda,
all Farage will need to do is point out their failing and ask did you vote for higher immigration?

[JagLover]

768 said:

That's not a wall, it's a carpet.

Welcome mat

[JagLover]

OutInTheShed said:

xeny said:

You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.

The alternative (if one was hypothetically a little to the right of centre) was vote conservative and get labour's tax'n'spend policies as per the last 14 years.

The erstwhile tory vote stayed at home in large numbers.

Corbyn's Labour got 10,269,051 votes in 2019, Starmer's 9,712,011

Maybe we're near the end of the 'two party system' era?

Yes saying the "right wing vote was split" does start with the proposition that the current Conservatives are right wing. Major's government was, but not so sure about every Conservative government since.

[JagLover]

Mr Penguin said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

Lefty types need to understand...we WANTED to destroy the Conservatives. It's the only way to drag them back to the centre-right which is where we all need them. Whether this actually happens remains to be seen...I have my doubts if I'm honest.
Lefties have got what they wanted, yet you're still here telling us our vote helped you...WE KNOW. That was the plan. Now we just have to see how they do in power with a broken economy and no freebies to hand out. The honeymoon will be a short one I think!

Which policies would you like them to drop and which would you like them to adopt?

Policies are almost irrelevant as the Conservatives have shown they regard manifesto commitments, and promises on the campaign trail, as necessary lies to get themselves elected. They regard their own voters with contempt and so feel justified in ignoring what they want.

I am just sorry 121 managed to survive.

[JagLover]

InformationSuperHighway said:

B'stard Child said:

tamore said:

so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?

I'd like some (well a lot actually) of

Honesty

Decency

Transparency

Accountability

Competence

Last 14 years of the Conservatives I don't think we've had any of that

I'd actually settle for 3 out of 5 (cos we know that honestly and transparency in a politician is never gonna be a given)

Right now they can fk off and think about how st they have been and how they failed at all five

These aren’t polices. They are traits or characteristics.

See my post above and BC has summed it up better. Without all of the above then any policies they come out with will not be believed.

and that mainly depends on candidate selection and that has been getting worse, not better, over the years. Virtually all bubble dwellers, including large numbers of SPADS. Many of whom are chinless wonders who thought the Harry Enfield Tory boy sketch was real and that was their inspiration to enter politics.

Edited by JagLover on Saturday 6th July 05:56

[MadMullah]

I do wonder how much legs does reform have, if they can stay together and run till the next election whilst providing a real alternative.

I do think there will be some break up in there from the 5 MP's at some point. they'll inevitably clash with each other for the reigns and direction of the party. The support they had whilst i'm sure was genuine there will be a percentage after a few years of Labour rule will be switching back to the tories should they find a real leader amongst them who can steady that ship and make sense.

Reform no doubt allowed this landslide to happen - but thats the people's choice. whether their vote was for the reasons reform exist or merely a protest vote against the current tory party remains to be seen

[the-photographer]

MadMullah said:

I do wonder how much legs does reform have, if they can stay together and run till the next election whilst providing a real alternative.

I do think there will be some break up in there from the 5 MP's at some point. they'll inevitably clash with each other for the reigns and direction of the party. The support they had whilst i'm sure was genuine there will be a percentage after a few years of Labour rule will be switching back to the tories should they find a real leader amongst them who can steady that ship and make sense.

Reform no doubt allowed this landslide to happen - but thats the people's choice. whether their vote was for the reasons reform exist or merely a protest vote against the current tory party remains to be seen

Not many, since ukip they have only increased their votes by 200,000 (that's over nine years)

[the-photographer]

PRTVR said:

Legacywr said:

Farage saying he’s going to be targeting Labour votes…

Which is going to be easy, take immigration, labour are going to fail miserably, the migrants in France were happy that Labour are in power, the end of any chance of going to Rwanda,
all Farage will need to do is point out their failing and ask did you vote for higher immigration?

But the boats coming from France are not the problem, the big elephant is legal migration and no party especially reform has an answer to less migration means less economic growth

[911hope]

the-photographer said:

But the boats coming from France are not the problem, the big elephant is legal migration and no party especially reform has an answer to less migration means less economic growth

The inconvenient truth.

[Elysium]

Killboy said:

Elysium said:

Killboy said:

Vanden Saab said:

How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.

You just need to believe more in order for it to be a success.

No amount of belief is going to make Starmer a success.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/05/the-se...

The Telegraph said:

It is likely that Labour has done little better in terms of vote share than it did in 2017, and it is led by a man who will have the lowest favourability rating of any incoming Prime Minister, ever.

Yeah, I think you need to put down the telegraph.

I think the simple fact that Starmer was unable to garner any more votes than Corbyn, when he was up against a Tory party that had effectively imploded, suggests that he was not what the people really wanted.

He has a chance to win us all over and the majority needed to govern effectively. So we will have to wait to see what Labour can make of it.

Belief won’t change that. And unfortunately the unique combination of a weak mandate and a massive majority will create tensions in the party.

I think there is a good chance he will not last a full term as leader.

Having assisted in the self destruction of the Tories, Farage’s mission will now be to ignite the same chaos in Labour.

[Venisonpie]

911hope said:

the-photographer said:

But the boats coming from France are not the problem, the big elephant is legal migration and no party especially reform has an answer to less migration means less economic growth

The inconvenient truth.

Indeed. Farage convinces unhappy people the reason for their misery is the EU/ migration etc. It isn't of course, its everything why the tories got kicked out on Thursday. It allows him to ignore key difficult issues because his politics don't improve them.