Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Elysium said:
It tells us that Labour are no more popular with the electorate than they were when they lost in 2019. Fortunately for Labour the Conservatives are much less popular than they were in 2019.
As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
Without reform, who would the conservative voters vote for. Most would hate to vote Labour.As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
Thinking anything other than Farage/reform has deliberately damaged the Tory party is just wrong.
They used the non-thinking portion of the electorate to achieve this. They are the easiest votes to win. Tell them simple answers to complex problems. Don't need to be sensible, they will swallow it hook,line and sinker.
IanH755 said:
He thinks they are too far Left for what should be a "conservative" party with "traditional" values and he'd be correct. The swing to Reform is, for a lot of people but not all, the overcorrection by those who see a "conservative" party which is too far to the Left of where they should be.
Was it the Rwanda plan that made people think they were too far left? Timothy Bucktu said:
Legacywr said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
Lefty types need to understand...we WANTED to destroy the Conservatives. It's the only way to drag them back to the centre-right which is where we all need them. Whether this actually happens remains to be seen...I have my doubts if I'm honest.
Lefties have got what they wanted, yet you're still here telling us our vote helped you...WE KNOW. That was the plan. Now we just have to see how they do in power with a broken economy and no freebies to hand out. The honeymoon will be a short one I think!
You think the outgoing Tory government was far right? Lefties have got what they wanted, yet you're still here telling us our vote helped you...WE KNOW. That was the plan. Now we just have to see how they do in power with a broken economy and no freebies to hand out. The honeymoon will be a short one I think!
tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
It wasn’t just policies , it was failure to deliver what they said they would, incompetence, poor leadership, behaviour issues….. they were just toxic in my opinion as alive long Conservative voter…. steveatesh said:
tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
It wasn’t just policies , it was failure to deliver what they said they would, incompetence, poor leadership, behaviour issues….. they were just toxic in my opinion as alive long Conservative voter…. steveatesh said:
It wasn’t just policies , it was failure to deliver what they said they would, incompetence, poor leadership, behaviour issues….. they were just toxic in my opinion as alive long Conservative voter….
Tories have been toxic before, just before the last Labour landslide. In the last 14 years they have have been a disaster at all times.The followers have shown tolerance and loyalty beyond reason. It is ironic that it is the least foolish PM of that period has got them thrown out.
911hope said:
Tories have been toxic before, just before the last Labour landslide. In the last 14 years they have have been a disaster at all times.
The followers have shown tolerance and loyalty beyond reason. It is ironic that it is the least foolish PM of that period has got them thrown out.
i have a lot of sympathy for sunak. following johnson and then especially truss was always going to be mission impossible. i actually think if he'd waited until november, inflation would have been on target, mortgage rates down and he would have probably still lost, but not been humiliated.The followers have shown tolerance and loyalty beyond reason. It is ironic that it is the least foolish PM of that period has got them thrown out.
tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
I'd like some (well a lot actually) of Honesty
Decency
Transparency
Accountability
Competence
Last 14 years of the Conservatives I don't think we've had any of that
I'd actually settle for 3 out of 5 (cos we know that honestly and transparency in a politician is never gonna be a given)
Right now they can f
k off and think about how st they have been and how they failed at all fiveB'stard Child said:
tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
I'd like some (well a lot actually) of Honesty
Decency
Transparency
Accountability
Competence
Last 14 years of the Conservatives I don't think we've had any of that
I'd actually settle for 3 out of 5 (cos we know that honestly and transparency in a politician is never gonna be a given)
Right now they can f
k off and think about how st they have been and how they failed at all fiveInformationSuperHighway said:
B'stard Child said:
tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
I'd like some (well a lot actually) of Honesty
Decency
Transparency
Accountability
Competence
Last 14 years of the Conservatives I don't think we've had any of that
I'd actually settle for 3 out of 5 (cos we know that honestly and transparency in a politician is never gonna be a given)
Right now they can f
k off and think about how st they have been and how they failed at all five
Mute point as I think they are incapable of the soul searching required
911hope said:
Elysium said:
It tells us that Labour are no more popular with the electorate than they were when they lost in 2019. Fortunately for Labour the Conservatives are much less popular than they were in 2019.
As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
Without reform, who would the conservative voters vote for. Most would hate to vote Labour.As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
Thinking anything other than Farage/reform has deliberately damaged the Tory party is just wrong.
They used the non-thinking portion of the electorate to achieve this. They are the easiest votes to win. Tell them simple answers to complex problems. Don't need to be sensible, they will swallow it hook,line and sinker.
Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
If you voted for anyone other than labour's strongest reval in you constituency, then it benefited Labour.k Labour are going to be. tamore said:
so come on then. what policies would you like for the conservative party to get your X in the box again?
I'd like policies that support the family as an essential backbone of society - sharing of tax allowances between married couples for example.I want to see the removal of stamp duty because it hurts the mobility of labour
Automatic adjustment of tax bands with inflation
Energy reform, particularly reducing standing charges & not using these to subsidise non payers
Benefit overhaul - unemployment benefits to cease totally after 12 months but are 70% of your previous after tax income. 12 month counter resets after 3 years paying back in.
European models for healthcare, including nominal charges for GP visits.
There's plenty more I'd like to see, but it's late & I've already spent all day typing.
911hope said:
Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
If you voted for anyone other than labour's strongest reval in you constituency, then it benefited Labour.k Labour are going to be. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff