Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
LimmerickLad said:
PurplePenguin said:
LimmerickLad said:
Vanden Saab said:
And another one by 98 votes. Up to 5 now.
Gone from the Fab 4 to the Famouse 5 then? Tom8 said:
Well reform outperformed UKIP.
Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
Farage will hardly get a look in thankfully.Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
The LDs have 10x more seats.
His party has about the same as the Greens.
His rants should be a rarity.
swisstoni said:
smn159 said:
swisstoni said:
smn159 said:
swisstoni said:
You seem to be forgetting antisemites. I’ve a fair idea who they voted for.
Reform presumably, given Farage's previous pronouncements?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/j...
Righto.
Still, if you're OK with it that's fine I suppose.
Grrr Labour
Unless you don't actually give a s
t about the anti-semitism itself unless you can weaponise it.
Mr Penguin said:
Spectator say that 145 Conservatives would have kept their seats if all Reform voters had voted Conservative. Obviously not all would but I think the vast majority would and it's a good starting point until we get proper polling and analyses. 145+121=266, 8 more than Labour in 2010 from very similar numbers in the previous election.
For the Reform voters who prefer Conservative to Labour: food for thought?
The key food for thought being that if only the Conservative Party had done what most of their traditional voters might have expected then they could still be in power today.For the Reform voters who prefer Conservative to Labour: food for thought?
Vasco said:
The key food for thought being that if only the Conservative Party had done what most of their traditional voters might have expected then they could still be in power today.
Managed the economy competently while maintaining the countries good infrastructure and services would have been nice, I agree.smn159 said:
swisstoni said:
smn159 said:
swisstoni said:
smn159 said:
swisstoni said:
You seem to be forgetting antisemites. I’ve a fair idea who they voted for.
Reform presumably, given Farage's previous pronouncements?https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/j...
Righto.
Still, if you're OK with it that's fine I suppose.
Grrr Labour
Unless you don't actually give a s
t about the anti-semitism itself unless you can weaponise it.I’m glad you’re sure that Labour has put it’s substantial antisemitic problems behind it. We’ll have to see how that works out.
Vasco said:
Blue62 said:
I think Reform have made big in roads into the leave Tory seats, the big issue is whether they can build from here. The Nazi party had only a few seats in the 1928 Reichstag, things had changed by 1930 and again by 1933, watch this space.
I think much may have changed in 90+ years.....A few weeks back we attended an Italian car weekend at Spa. Part of the trip included a visit to a WWII museum at Bastogne. It begins with the rise of National Socialism and goes through to after the war.
There was a whole section dedicated to the National Socialist propaganda through the 1930's. Even with only my schoolboy German it was staggering - and depressing - how simple it would be to take out NSDAP and replace it with Reform...
smn159 said:
Vasco said:
The key food for thought being that if only the Conservative Party had done what most of their traditional voters might have expected then they could still be in power today.
Managed the economy competently while maintaining the countries good infrastructure and services would have been nice, I agree.- and no lies
- and no betting on dates
- and no leaving D-day early
- and no appointing Truss
- and no Rwanda silliness
......etc etc
.
LF5335 said:
Top 5 2019
Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
This tells us that reform voters won the election for Labour. Exactly what they didn't want.Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
Very predictable as was their inability to understand the impact of their decisions.
Rory Stewart saying the obvious
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
Skeptisk said:
Rory Stewart saying the obvious
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
Starmer should make him Brexit secretary. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
I mean he broke it, he should fix it. He has all the answers after all.
Castrol for a knave said:
Wills2 said:
It's clear that Reform set fire to the Tories election chances and have handed Labour a massive victory, I don't know how I'd feel if I was a reform voter but it's clear many of them just like breaking things, nothing more than political arsonists.
Smash up a bus shelter at 11pm on a Saturday night, then find yourself waiting in the rain for the No73 on Monday. James6112 said:
Tom8 said:
Well reform outperformed UKIP.
Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
Farage will hardly get a look in thankfully.Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
The LDs have 10x more seats.
His party has about the same as the Greens.
His rants should be a rarity.
The amount of attention he will get will be out of proportion to the amount of seats he has (though more on a par with his percentage vote)
He will be popping up on Peston this kussenger that etc etc
911hope said:
LF5335 said:
Top 5 2019
Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
This tells us that reform voters won the election for Labour. Exactly what they didn't want.Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
Very predictable as was their inability to understand the impact of their decisions.
As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
911hope said:
LF5335 said:
Top 5 2019
Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
This tells us that reform voters won the election for Labour. Exactly what they didn't want.Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
Very predictable as was their inability to understand the impact of their decisions.
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