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Rory Stewart saying the obvious
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
Skeptisk said:
Rory Stewart saying the obvious
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
Starmer should make him Brexit secretary. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
I mean he broke it, he should fix it. He has all the answers after all.
Castrol for a knave said:
Wills2 said:
It's clear that Reform set fire to the Tories election chances and have handed Labour a massive victory, I don't know how I'd feel if I was a reform voter but it's clear many of them just like breaking things, nothing more than political arsonists.
Smash up a bus shelter at 11pm on a Saturday night, then find yourself waiting in the rain for the No73 on Monday. James6112 said:
Tom8 said:
Well reform outperformed UKIP.
Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
Farage will hardly get a look in thankfully.Love him or loathe him, Farage along with Sturgeon have been the most effective and successful political operators this century. It will be interesting to see how Farage goes in our parliament and how Starmer works against him. Will he be more effective than the conservative leader, that is the big question for the Tory Mps?
That ex Labour and then Tory now Reform, ironically is re elected. Dear lord...
The LDs have 10x more seats.
His party has about the same as the Greens.
His rants should be a rarity.
The amount of attention he will get will be out of proportion to the amount of seats he has (though more on a par with his percentage vote)
He will be popping up on Peston this kussenger that etc etc
911hope said:
LF5335 said:
Top 5 2019
Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
This tells us that reform voters won the election for Labour. Exactly what they didn't want.Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
Very predictable as was their inability to understand the impact of their decisions.
As a result, Labour have achieved double the seats on about the same share of the vote.
The voters that abandoned the Conservatives would have done so with or without Reform. Farage provided a voice for this group, who decided it was more important to be heard than to prevent a Labour Govt.
911hope said:
LF5335 said:
Top 5 2019
Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
This tells us that reform voters won the election for Labour. Exactly what they didn't want.Conservative - 43.6% vote 365 seats
Labour - 32.1% vote 203 seats
Liberal Democrats - 11.5% 11 seats
SNP 3.9% 48 seats
Green - 2.7% 1 seats
67% turnout.
No idea what the changes really tell us or how they compare to previous years.
Very predictable as was their inability to understand the impact of their decisions.
k Labour are going to be. Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.k Labour are going to be. xeny said:
Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.k Labour are going to be. captain_cynic said:
Skeptisk said:
Rory Stewart saying the obvious
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
Starmer should make him Brexit secretary. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeG115HQ/
That Farage gets so much mileage by pointing out problems but never has to actually deliver anything (well with Brexit he promised it would be a great success and easy to get a win win position with the EU when in fact he and his chums in the Conservative Party had no clue how to achieve it - but of course, like everything else it is not his fault!).
Opportunistic chancer and snake oil salesman.
I mean he broke it, he should fix it. He has all the answers after all.
Would actually be brilliant to put him on the spot.
xeny said:
Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.k Labour are going to be. xeny said:
You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.
The alternative (if one was hypothetically a little to the right of centre) was vote conservative and get labour's tax'n'spend policies as per the last 14 years.The erstwhile tory vote stayed at home in large numbers.
Corbyn's Labour got 10,269,051 votes in 2019, Starmer's 9,712,011
Maybe we're near the end of the 'two party system' era?
xeny said:
Vanden Saab said:
How exactly, I did not vote for Labour but enough other people did. If nobody had voted for Labour they would have lost. Stop trying to blame us for the utter clusterfk Labour are going to be.
You split the right wing vote to let Labour in. Vote Reform, get Labour. Thank you.k Labour are going to be. As for PR no thank you. Who wants a system where the same people get in every time and two small parties can stop the one with the most votes from ever being in power. I much prefer our system.
Elysium said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Wills2 said:
It's clear that Reform set fire to the Tories election chances and have handed Labour a massive victory, I don't know how I'd feel if I was a reform voter but it's clear many of them just like breaking things, nothing more than political arsonists.
Smash up a bus shelter at 11pm on a Saturday night, then find yourself waiting in the rain for the No73 on Monday. Dave200 said:
Elysium said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Wills2 said:
It's clear that Reform set fire to the Tories election chances and have handed Labour a massive victory, I don't know how I'd feel if I was a reform voter but it's clear many of them just like breaking things, nothing more than political arsonists.
Smash up a bus shelter at 11pm on a Saturday night, then find yourself waiting in the rain for the No73 on Monday. Vanden Saab said:
Did I? If more tory voters had voted Reform then Reform would have won. Anyway I am delighted that Labour won as they will be next after the Tories. Looking at the likes of Starmer, Lammy and Millipede at the top of government I doubt they will last more than one term.
As for PR no thank you. Who wants a system where the same people get in every time and two small parties can stop the one with the most votes from ever being in power. I much prefer our system.
Which way will 16 and 17 year olds vote? I suspect at least for the first election there may be a good turn out of that cohort.As for PR no thank you. Who wants a system where the same people get in every time and two small parties can stop the one with the most votes from ever being in power. I much prefer our system.
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