Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[smn159]

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

Of course not, to paraphrase Stewart Lee..

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Countdown said:

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I think Reform is the party I'd choose to vote for if i was a racist.

Perhaps you could give a straight answer to the question?

[Legacywr]

PurplePenguin said:

Legacywr said:

PurplePenguin said:

Legacywr said:

So, 2/3’s of the seats lost by the Tories were caused by Reform.

Well done Nige…

And not well done Labour

Labour didn’t really gain votes.

That was my point

I was agreeing

[PurplePenguin]

Countdown said:

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I think Reform is the party I'd choose to vote for if i was a racist.

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

[President Merkin]

smn159 said:

Not caused by the Tories desperately weaponising immigration and culture wars rather than governing then?

The Tories lost 250 seats. 166 of those, Reform came ahead of them in votes, if you add those 166 back in to the Tories, you get to 287, not a majority & in any case an assumption that every Reform vote would have gone Tory which is ridiculous. If you say 25% go back then you only get 47 seats back which is roughly 1997 levels.

Also in lots of those, Reform came 2nd, so it's far from clear Reform would be beneficiaries AND in 84 of those seats, winning every Reform vote wouldn't have kept them in Tory hands - the LD's being big winners there.

Ergo, no doubt Farage cost the Tories dozens of seats but that is far from the whole picture. The Tories collapsed among voter trust.

[bitchstewie]

PurplePenguin said:

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

Not at all.

But I think "So what is it about the party with lots of candidates with openly racist views that appeals to you?" is a fair question.

[President Merkin]

PurplePenguin said:

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

Implying.

[LimmerickLad]

PurplePenguin said:

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

A rather overused and blunt weapon.

[PurplePenguin]

President Merkin said:

PurplePenguin said:

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

Implying.

Whatever

[the-photographer]

markh1973 said:

the-photographer said:

How did you know? I just moved my entire property portfolio to Clacton

How many caravans did you move in the end?

Damn, you got me!

[119]

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I don't.

Many here do.

[Countdown]

PurplePenguin said:

Countdown said:

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I think Reform is the party I'd choose to vote for if i was a racist.

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

You can choose to infer what you like. Reform have made immigration a central plank of their manifesto, much more than other parties. IF you were a racist then why would you vote for any of the others?

[119]

Countdown said:

PurplePenguin said:

Countdown said:

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I think Reform is the party I'd choose to vote for if i was a racist.

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

You can choose to infer what you like. Reform have made immigration a central plank of their manifesto, much more than other parties. IF you were a racist then why would you vote for any of the others?

Not this again.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Countdown said:

You can choose to infer what you like. Reform have made immigration a central plank of their manifesto, much more than other parties. IF you were a racist then why would you vote for any of the others?

Do you believe all Reform voters yesterday, all 4m of them are racists?

Only requires a yes or no answer.

[President Merkin]

119 said:

I don't.

Many here do.

I doubt that. No one can know 4 million people. But we can observe multiple racist incidents involving Reform candidates & activists, sustained over months and disproportionately involving them too. We also see the mealy mouthed excuses, the bullst about crisis actors & never seen him before in my life, guv nonsense. We also see the Reform fans out of the traps like greyhounds whenever it comes up in here.

It's fine lads, you love your party & its backwards politics, we'll keep making rational, evidence based judgments about it.

[PurplePenguin]

President Merkin said:

119 said:

I don't.

Many here do.

I doubt that. No one can know 4 million people. But we can observe multiple racist incidents involving Reform candidates & activists, sustained over months and disproportionately involving them too. We also see the mealy mouthed excuses, the bullst about crisis actors & never seen him before in my life, guv nonsense. We also see the Reform fans out of the traps like greyhounds whenever it comes up in here.

It's fine lads, you love your party & its backwards politics, we'll keep making rational, evidence based judgments about it.

You do come across as a bit patronising and out of touch with why 4 million people voted Reform.

[bitchstewie]

Which bit of what he said is incorrect?

Let's face it most of you couldn't rustle up a spine between you when it comes to calling out the st their candidates have come out with.

[Catweazle]

Come on people, the message is obviously not getting through. You'll have to type it as RACISTS if you want others to notice.

[swisstoni]

Countdown said:

PurplePenguin said:

Countdown said:

Legacywr said:

119 said:

Well that’s a lot of racists.

4 million?

Do you really believe that Reform only appealed to racists?

I think Reform is the party I'd choose to vote for if i was a racist.

Inferring that all those who voted Reform are racists

You can choose to infer what you like. Reform have made immigration a central plank of their manifesto, much more than other parties. IF you were a racist then why would you vote for any of the others?

You seem to be forgetting antisemites. I’ve a fair idea who they voted for.

[smn159]

swisstoni said:

You seem to be forgetting antisemites. I’ve a fair idea who they voted for.

Reform presumably, given Farage's previous pronouncements?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/j...