General Election July 2024

[Sway]

p1stonhead said:

She’s incredible.

The first guy’s antics was the reason the second guy did so badly you moron

I thought there were polls showing that Boris wasn't really a factor when last election Tory voters were asked why they weren't voting Tory?

[Mr Penguin]

She isn't called Mad Nads for nothing.

[bodhi]

Sway said:

p1stonhead said:

She’s incredible.

The first guy’s antics was the reason the second guy did so badly you moron

I thought there were polls showing that Boris wasn't really a factor when last election Tory voters were asked why they weren't voting Tory?

I also saw a couple of polls suggesting that if the party leaders were the same as 2019, i.e Boris Vs the Comrade, the Tories would have won again.

[uk66fastback]

She's still hacked off she never got that cushy number in the House of Lords - thank fk she didn't. Her and BoJo's dad - was he to become a Lord or just be knighted? The latter I think.

[p1stonhead]

uk66fastback said:

She's still hacked off she never got that cushy number in the House of Lords - thank fk she didn't. Her and BoJo's dad - was he to become a Lord or just be knighted? The latter I think.

She will never get over it. It’s glorious.

[eharding]

bodhi said:

I also saw a couple of polls suggesting that if the party leaders were the same as 2019, i.e Boris Vs the Comrade, the Tories would have won again.

I can believe that - but the reason they were no longer the party leaders is because it became manifestly clear neither of them was fit for high office. If Boris was still leader we wouldn't have had Truss, but again that would imply that Boris hadn't actually shat over everything and got himself kicked out.

[Randy Winkman]

BJ, the PM responsible for the biggest mass resignation of ministers ever and being welcomed by the crowd to the Queens Jubilee service.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useSqjSENxI

[Sway]

Randy Winkman said:

BJ, the PM responsible for the biggest mass resignation of ministers ever and being welcomed by the crowd to the Queens Jubilee service.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useSqjSENxI

There are millions of people willing to support Farage. Johnson is, as blundering as he is, less odious than Farage. It really wouldn't surprise me if the scale of the tory loss of support and rise of reform wouldn't have been much less with Johnson instead of Sunak.

Plus there's a small mischievous part of me that'd have loved Truss to have been replaced with a returned Johnson, as inside I'm a bit of an anarchist.

[isaldiri]

Sway said:

There are millions of people willing to support Farage. Johnson is, as blundering as he is, less odious than Farage. It really wouldn't surprise me if the scale of the tory loss of support and rise of reform wouldn't have been much less with Johnson instead of Sunak.

Plus there's a small mischievous part of me that'd have loved Truss to have been replaced with a returned Johnson, as inside I'm a bit of an anarchist.

Johnson the blundering fool from 2019 might well be seen as (much) less odious than Farage but there is no way Johnson having presided through all the shambles of the time that forced him out would have resulted in a very different loss of tory support in 2024. He was the direct cause of why the whole tory edifice fell apart. Truss just bolted home the coffin nails.

[Sway]

isaldiri said:

Sway said:

There are millions of people willing to support Farage. Johnson is, as blundering as he is, less odious than Farage. It really wouldn't surprise me if the scale of the tory loss of support and rise of reform wouldn't have been much less with Johnson instead of Sunak.

Plus there's a small mischievous part of me that'd have loved Truss to have been replaced with a returned Johnson, as inside I'm a bit of an anarchist.

Johnson the blundering fool from 2019 might well be seen as (much) less odious than Farage but there is no way Johnson having presided through all the shambles of the time that forced him out would have resulted in a very different loss of tory support in 2024. He was the direct cause of why the whole tory edifice fell apart. Truss just bolted home the coffin nails.

I agree - I'm putting forward an alternative reality where he got booted, Truss did her stuff, but then instead of Sunak getting in, Johnson returned.

If Truss had lasted a bit longer, I could see it happening.

In that scenario, I still think the election would have been a lot closer.

[JagLover]

isaldiri said:

Johnson the blundering fool from 2019 might well be seen as (much) less odious than Farage but there is no way Johnson having presided through all the shambles of the time that forced him out would have resulted in a very different loss of tory support in 2024. He was the direct cause of why the whole tory edifice fell apart. Truss just bolted home the coffin nails.

Yes. Bojo the clown destroyed the coalition that had brought him into power.

[robemcdonald]

eharding said:

bodhi said:

I also saw a couple of polls suggesting that if the party leaders were the same as 2019, i.e Boris Vs the Comrade, the Tories would have won again.

I can believe that - but the reason they were no longer the party leaders is because it became manifestly clear neither of them was fit for high office. If Boris was still leader we wouldn't have had Truss, but again that would imply that Boris hadn't actually shat over everything and got himself kicked out.

I wonder if anyone has done polls for Starmer Vs Churchill? Or superman?
Equally pointless…

[bigothunter]

robemcdonald said:

I wonder if anyone has done polls for Starmer Vs Churchill? Or superman?

What an intriguing concept. How would Britain have fared during our "darkest hours" in 1940–41 under the leadership of Sir Keir?

[Mr Penguin]

bodhi said:

I also saw a couple of polls suggesting that if the party leaders were the same as 2019, i.e Boris Vs the Comrade, the Tories would have won again.

Assumes that Boris would have had no more scandals after Chris Pincher, which is hard to believe.

[coldel]

The 2019 election was the brexit vote general election, along with the generally despised Corbyn, you could have put the wheelie bin from number 10 up for PM of the Tory party it would have won.

[Sway]

coldel said:

The 2019 election was the brexit vote general election, along with the generally despised Corbyn, you could have put the wheelie bin from number 10 up for PM of the Tory party it would have won.

Corbyn got more people to put an X in the box than Starmer...

[CraigyMc]

Sway said:

coldel said:

The 2019 election was the brexit vote general election, along with the generally despised Corbyn, you could have put the wheelie bin from number 10 up for PM of the Tory party it would have won.

Corbyn got more people to put an X in the box than Starmer...

Yeah, but since that's nothing to do with how many seats you win in our system it's more of a metric of how efficiently labour marshalled their election resources under Starmer.

[Solocle]

Sway said:

Corbyn got more people to put an X in the box than Starmer...

Corbyn got me to put an X in the box... for the Tories.

This time around I voted Labour. But, had Corbyn still been in charge of Labour, I'd have voted Tory again.

If you want to get a sense of just how disastrous a Corbyn premiership would have been, he was on a Hezbollah affiliated news channel saying that we should stop supporting Ukraine.
Even John McDonnell is more sane

He's a stooge for dictators.

Edited by Solocle on Monday 8th July 09:39

[coldel]

Sway said:

coldel said:

The 2019 election was the brexit vote general election, along with the generally despised Corbyn, you could have put the wheelie bin from number 10 up for PM of the Tory party it would have won.

Corbyn got more people to put an X in the box than Starmer...

Thats not the point I was making. Its was around the Boris vs Sunak voting and Nadine Doris's post.

And absolute numbers mean nothing in a GE. Putting aside the moving base i.e. turnout which means you cannot compare numbers like for like anyway, its also about how parties focus their efforts, I am sure plenty of seats Labour just gave up on vs others they spent heavily. Then you also have to look at the effect of Reform and them taking vote counts, there was no reasonably big third party in 2019 as again it was the brexit vote Lab vs Tories. The SNP got more seats than the LD.

So

Taking all that into account, the fact that Corbyn got an absolute number more votes than Starmer, well, means not a lot in the context within which I posted my comment.

[Randy Winkman]

Sway said:

coldel said:

The 2019 election was the brexit vote general election, along with the generally despised Corbyn, you could have put the wheelie bin from number 10 up for PM of the Tory party it would have won.

Corbyn got more people to put an X in the box than Starmer...

But there were more teams playing this time.