General Election July 2024

[Countdown]

uk66fastback said:

Hang on, that’s precisely the reason they didn’t do well this time round - too centre a party. And being conmen, liars, buffoons and just plain useless didn’t help either of course. This is why Reform has picked up lots of votes … they’re not right of centre enough … in fact they’re not right of centre at all.

Most Tories clearly preferred the Centre rather than the hard right message that Reform were peddling. If the Tories move to the right they will lose more votes to Labour.

[Portofino]

Countdown said:

Most Tories clearly preferred the Centre rather than the hard right message that Reform were peddling. If the Tories move to the right they will lose more votes to Labour.

Why do people & the media keep peddling hard right? They are not the BNP, EDF or the Old Skool National Front.

Quite a difference between the two.

[uk66fastback]

Can someone show me what Reform policies are ‘far right’?

The Tories are central already. And look what good it did them. There’s barely a fag paper between the two main parties as it stands.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Portofino said:

Countdown said:

Most Tories clearly preferred the Centre rather than the hard right message that Reform were peddling. If the Tories move to the right they will lose more votes to Labour.

Why do people & the media keep peddling hard right? They are not the BNP, EDF or the Old Skool National Front.

Quite a difference between the two.

It might be:
Comments about the IQ of Africans or black people are savages or describing boat people as scum or Hitler was right or candidates being members of the BNP or saying women are the sponging gender or a candidate saying Islam and Nazis are the same.

[Chicken Chaser]

Portofino said:

Countdown said:

Most Tories clearly preferred the Centre rather than the hard right message that Reform were peddling. If the Tories move to the right they will lose more votes to Labour.

Why do people & the media keep peddling hard right? They are not the BNP, EDF or the Old Skool National Front.

Quite a difference between the two.

There's the hard right and the far right. They could have called the hard right the near right, but that would be completely wrong.

[classicaholic]

I am really finding it hard to see how Starmer has a true mandate when he only increased Labours vote by 2% over Corbin. I can see why 40% of the eligible votors don’t bother, perhaps time for a change whe only just over 2 out of 10 eligible vote for the ruling party.

[swisstoni]

Chicken Chaser said:

Portofino said:

Countdown said:

Most Tories clearly preferred the Centre rather than the hard right message that Reform were peddling. If the Tories move to the right they will lose more votes to Labour.

Why do people & the media keep peddling hard right? They are not the BNP, EDF or the Old Skool National Front.

Quite a difference between the two.

There's the hard right and the far right. They could have called the hard right the near right, but that would be completely wrong.

This was a huge ‘not this Govt’ vote. People wanted them gone. They wanted Sunak and his simpering tones of nothingness gone. They wanted their seeming inability to get anything done gone. They wanted their useless bottom of the barrel ministers gone.

So who else could someone of even a slightly Right view of the world vote for? Reform were the only show in town for those people.

[abzmike]

Remember the postal voting issues? Well in Kemi Badenoch’s constituency the margin was 2610 votes - which apparently is very close to the number of postal votes that didn’t get sent out. No one is suggesting that every one would be against her, but it’s enough to require a by-election and stall the Tory leadership election.

[p1stonhead]

abzmike said:

Remember the postal voting issues? Well in Kemi Badenoch’s constituency the margin was 2610 votes - which apparently is very close to the number of postal votes that didn’t get sent out. No one is suggesting that every one would be against her, but it’s enough to require a by-election and stall the Tory leadership election.

Tory party members will never vote for her anyway.

[JagLover]

p1stonhead said:

Tory party members will never vote for her anyway.

They may have done at one point. Feeling of more than a few now though is that she sold out.

[DSLiverpool]

Should we have a “Streeting” watch thread? Day one tell your new company it’s broken - great for morale!

How he handles the junior doctors will be fascinating however capitulation is probably the strategy.

[MiniMan64]

DSLiverpool said:

Should we have a “Streeting” watch thread? Day one tell your new company it’s broken - great for morale!

How he handles the junior doctors will be fascinating however capitulation is probably the strategy.

I’d rather they spoke a truth that we all know to be true rather than lie about it. Or don’t you want honest politicians?

[p1stonhead]

DSLiverpool said:

Should we have a “Streeting” watch thread? Day one tell your new company it’s broken - great for morale!

How he handles the junior doctors will be fascinating however capitulation is probably the strategy.

Yeah those doctors and nurses working 16 hour shifts around corridors full of people, think it’s all going fine.

[p1stonhead]

JagLover said:

p1stonhead said:

Tory party members will never vote for her anyway.

They may have done at one point. Feeling of more than a few now though is that she sold out.

I wasn’t referencing her policies or loyalties.

These are the people who voted for Truss over Sunak.

[bitchstewie]

DSLiverpool said:

Should we have a “Streeting” watch thread? Day one tell your new company it’s broken - great for morale!

How he handles the junior doctors will be fascinating however capitulation is probably the strategy.

Bit confused.

Most of the NHS threads on here are people insisting it's broken.

Is Streeting wrong or has he simply said the quiet part out loud?

[robemcdonald]

If we’d had PR in 2019 we’d have ended up with this.

I don’t remember too many right leaning posters advocating it then.

[bitchstewie]

Remarkable how many Damascene conversions we've seen and will definitely be seeing soon around the FPTP system not being fit for purpose.

Like you I don't remember massive majorities being a problem in 2019.

People are just crying because their team lost and lost very very badly.

[vaud]

robemcdonald said:

If we’d had PR in 2019 we’d have ended up with this.

I don’t remember too many right leaning posters advocating it then.

STV isn't quite the same as PR?

[Lefty]

SpidersWeb said:

Ignoring tactical voting, if there had been a straightforward proportional representation system then with two seats to declare

Labour would have got 219 instead of 412

Conservatives would have got 154 instead of 121

Reform would have got 93 instead of 4

Lib Dems would have got 80 instead of 71

Greens would have got 45 instead of 4

SNP would have got 17 instead of 9

and then small differences elsewhere.

So FPTP is a harsh mistress, but Labour would still be in power, albeit in a coalition with the LibDems to repel a coalition of Conservative and Reform.

Or even worse, a coalition of Labour and Greens would have been sufficient, but then would you see a mad coalition of the Conservatives, Reform and LibDems to take power?

Or even more insane if Labour and LibDems paired up, an utterly insane coalition of Conservatives, Reform, Greens, and SNP to beat them.

FPTP might deliver some odd results but proportional representation could deliver some utterly crazy governments.

Thanks for doing the sums and it makes sense but your first statement is a huge assumption that skews the numbers - I think there was an awful lot of tactical voting going on.

PR would completely remove that and would also likely increase turnout because a lot of people think their views or beliefs and therefore their vote are worthless because voting for a minority party won’t achieve anything.

[robemcdonald]

uk66fastback said:

Can someone show me what Reform policies are ‘far right’?

The Tories are central already. And look what good it did them. There’s barely a fag paper between the two main parties as it stands.

Stopping “non essential” immigration.
Scrapping net zero.
Banning transgender in schools.
Leaving the ECHR.
Tax relief on school fees.
Raising stamp duty to £750k.
Tax cuts for businesses.

These would all be considered right wing, some more than others obviously.

HTH