General Election July 2024

[hidetheelephants]

biggbn said:

Derek Smith said:

MC Bodge said:

biggbn said:

Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger

He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good.

My son met him a number of times when he, Corbyn, was leader. He found him honest, direct and approachable. He appeared to take an interest in people around him. He reckoned that if he'd have voted for him in his constituency. If he got through to my lad, who meets a number of politicians in his job and is quite cynical when it comes to them, it might be easier to understand his popularity with his voters as he meets with a lot of them.

He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.

Always seemed a decent, personable fella to me. Portrayed as the exact opposite...wonder why?

That might mean he's an effective constituency MP; he was a terrible leader, presented with an historically dire tory election campaign his instinct wasn't to moderate his policies and attempt to woo swing voters but to double down on policies that drove them to stay at home or vote for 3rd parties.

[beagrizzly]

Castrol for a knave said:

For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.



"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.

This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.

I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.

She deserved to win - and I wish her well.

She's got the makings of a very good local MP".

Possible translation: 'Thank fk. I'm well out of that. Good luck, you'll need it!'


(Only joking. Very decent and appropriate response, natch)

[sugerbear]

Interesting statistic

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.

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beagrizzly said:

Castrol for a knave said:

For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.



"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.

This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.

I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.

She deserved to win - and I wish her well.

She's got the makings of a very good local MP".

Possible translation: 'Thank fk. I'm well out of that. Good luck, you'll need it!'


(Only joking. Very decent and appropriate response, natch)

In fairness there were a lot of classy acceptance and concession speeches last night.

[pheonix478]

biggbn said:

Derek Smith said:

MC Bodge said:

biggbn said:

Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger

He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good.

My son met him a number of times when he, Corbyn, was leader. He found him honest, direct and approachable. He appeared to take an interest in people around him. He reckoned that if he'd have voted for him in his constituency. If he got through to my lad, who meets a number of politicians in his job and is quite cynical when it comes to them, it might be easier to understand his popularity with his voters as he meets with a lot of them.

He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.

Always seemed a decent, personable fella to me. Portrayed as the exact opposite...wonder why?

Sorry but even ignoring his very dubious "friends" his stance on effectively surrendering Ukraine to Russia screams how unfit for any position of responsibility he was. The fact that prior to becoming leader not a single leader of his own party for decades had entrusted him with any kind of roll at all is pretty telling.

[Blackpuddin]

119 said:

biggbn said:

Derek Smith said:

MC Bodge said:

biggbn said:

Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger

He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good.

My son met him a number of times when he, Corbyn, was leader. He found him honest, direct and approachable. He appeared to take an interest in people around him. He reckoned that if he'd have voted for him in his constituency. If he got through to my lad, who meets a number of politicians in his job and is quite cynical when it comes to them, it might be easier to understand his popularity with his voters as he meets with a lot of them.

He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.

Always seemed a decent, personable fella to me. Portrayed as the exact opposite...wonder why?

Even you could use the internet to find out why.

I have never despised anyone more than that odious individual.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Castrol for a knave said:

For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.



"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.

This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.

I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.

She deserved to win - and I wish her well.

She's got the makings of a very good local MP".

Rest of the Speech here, quite good:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x91k9c4

(Not the David Davies most of us will be thinking of.)

[Tom8]

Hahaha! I had no idea Jonathan Ashworth lost his seat. At that Debonaire woman. Some good news.

[the-photographer]

sugerbear said:

Interesting statistic

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.

Very interesting, the re-built conservatives should absolutely aim for the centre in terms of leader and policy

[smn159]

sugerbear said:

Interesting statistic

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.

Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UK

Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.

If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable

[LimmerickLad]

Tom8 said:

Hahaha! I had no idea Jonathan Ashworth lost his seat. At that Debonaire woman. Some good news.

Agreed on both.

[BikeBikeBIke]

I thought Gillian Keegan was a dreadful local MP, mostly mindlessly tarmacing over her own constituency as fast as she possibly could but she had a point on the flak she got over crumbling schools:

https://youtu.be/dGtuS2mU7-o?si=WT6Ub0ZqMwVKvHw9

[PurplePenguin]

smn159 said:

sugerbear said:

Interesting statistic

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.

Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UK

Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.

If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable

And 12% for the LibDems

[Murph7355]

pheonix478 said:

Sorry but even ignoring his very dubious "friends" his stance on effectively surrendering Ukraine to Russia screams how unfit for any position of responsibility he was. The fact that prior to becoming leader not a single leader of his own party for decades had entrusted him with any kind of roll at all is pretty telling.

You can be decent and personable whilst holding very different views to others.

I pretty much entirely disagreed with Corbyn's politics, but that didn't make him (nor me) a bad person.

Edited to add, Frank Field and Tony Benn are better examples.

I'm not sure the actions of other leaders are great barometer either.

Edited by Murph7355 on Friday 5th July 16:32

[Sway]

Murph7355 said:

pheonix478 said:

Sorry but even ignoring his very dubious "friends" his stance on effectively surrendering Ukraine to Russia screams how unfit for any position of responsibility he was. The fact that prior to becoming leader not a single leader of his own party for decades had entrusted him with any kind of roll at all is pretty telling.

You can be decent and personable whilst holding very different views to others.

I pretty much entirely disagreed with Corbyn's politics, but that didn't make him (nor me) a bad person.

Edited to add, Frank Field and Tony Benn are better examples.

I'm not sure the actions of other leaders are great barometer either.

Edited by Murph7355 on Friday 5th July 16:32

The difficulty with Corbyn was not how he was around regular people, or politically engaged people who agreed with him.

It was how he was when challenged. As an ideologue, he simply could not rationalise that, and so turned quite nasty a few times on record.

[JNW1]

PurplePenguin said:

smn159 said:

sugerbear said:

Interesting statistic

UKIP 2015: 3.8m votes - 12.6%
Reform 2024: 4m votes - 14.3%

Not much change then, no massive swing to the right.

Indeed and 15% seems the ceiling for right wing populism in the UK

Hard to see how they can expand that, despite all the nonsense being spouted about Reform becoming the official opposition next time around.

If Farage does ditch them for the Tories all that will do is make them (even more) unelectable

And 12% for the LibDems

Who have been rewarded with over 70 seats in the House of Commons compared to just 4 for Reform. The Greens have the same number of seats as Reform having attracted less than half the number of votes.

And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!

I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....

[DeejRC]

Mel Stride you lucky lucky bar steward, 61 votes!
My Indie, Arthur Price only got 455 votes, but I’m feeling rather proud that Im a member of such a select group.

Well, on the astonishingly rare chance that Mel reads this, I’m rather enjoying being an Indie voter old boy, so given that you lost all my households votes and it seems every vote counts for you: bloody good luck getting them back!!

[Sway]

JNW1 said:

Who have been rewarded with over 70 seats in the House of Commons compared to just 4 for Reform. The Greens have the same number of seats as Reform having attracted less than half the number of votes.

And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!

I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....

If we took this outcome as unchanged under a PR system (yes, I know, but it's all we can do) - the outcome there is just as difficult to defend!

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Sway said:

JNW1 said:

Who have been rewarded with over 70 seats in the House of Commons compared to just 4 for Reform. The Greens have the same number of seats as Reform having attracted less than half the number of votes.

And according to the BBC website Labour polled just under 34% of the vote nationally but now holds 64% of the seats in the HoC - can't remember an election in my lifetime where a party's gained an overall majority with such a small proportion of the vote, never mind one on the scale Labour's secured!

I fully understand the mechanics of how all this has come about but (IMHO) these results make our current electoral system very difficult to defend....

If we took this outcome as unchanged under a PR system (yes, I know, but it's all we can do) - the outcome there is just as difficult to defend!

That's a nonsense argument against a fairer system that's used across most of the civilised world. It's not all we can do either. If you've not already read the Ashcroft post-poll poll linked a few times earlier you should and see how many people would have voted differently under PR, never mind the difference it would make to turnout if more people's votes actually counted.

[Master Bean]

What are the 2 seats not declared yet?