General Election July 2024

[Dave200]

E63eeeeee... said:

LARK F1 GTR said:

WestyCarl said:

So Sunak was out of touch with real people due to his history and wealth, yet Rayner with her complete opposite history also isn't suitable and won't do well.

No wonder (most) politicians don''t lsiten to the public....

Two cheeks of the same backside as far as I'm concerned.

I'm glad the Tories lost, but not for what's instore.

On what planet are the socialist council housed single mother and the right-wing billionaire heiress's husband cheeks of the same arse? Must be fking weird where you live.

"They are all the same mate. Reform is the only party who can change it."

That Reform party led by ... checks notes ... multimillionaire, public schoolboy Nige the Liar.

[BikeBikeBIke]

rscott said:

Reform candidates stood on entirely national policies, no mention of any local issues whatsoever...

This is the national issues *of another nation*.

[bitchstewie]

rscott said:

The Ashcroft poll posted earlier backs that up too - https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2024/07/how-britain-... - shows that social grade AB were the group most likely to vote for Labour. That group is "Higher and intermediate managerial, administrative and professional occupations", so will have more higher rate tax payers than any other.

I was looking at that earlier.

It's actually fascinating how utterly consumed Reform voters are with immigration and how backward they are when it comes to cultural attitudes.

[Dave200]

rscott said:

Dave200 said:

Carl_VivaEspana said:

smn159 said:

The country has given their verdict on that and it's going to take a while to start to put right - but at least some grown ups are back in the room to start doing so.

as pointed out elsewhere, there's approx 9 million labour voters and 6 million public sector workers. The remainder of the 3 million were 2.9999m benefits scroungers and me (joke).

I exaggerate of course but it's unlikely that many in the 40%+ tax bracket voted red and therefore he has 4.5 years to win their vote otherwise Labour are back out of power in 5 years.

Again, absolute twaddle. Support for Labour across the socio-economic grades was broadly even, and voters from all groups were most likely to pick Labour.

The Ashcroft poll posted earlier backs that up too - https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2024/07/how-britain-... - shows that social grade AB were the group most likely to vote for Labour. That group is "Higher and intermediate managerial, administrative and professional occupations", so will have more higher rate tax payers than any other.

But the expat confidently said "it's unlikely that many in the 40%+ tax bracket voted red". So it must be true.

[frisbee]

lord summerisle said:

S600BSB said:

mr_tony said:

eldar said:

G-wiz said:

Audi not a good look to drive into Buck House.

Rishi, what a prat, cannot do anything correct.

Are there no suitable British cars he could have chosen?

For example?

Tough one…
Lotus.. no
McLaren no
Aston no
Bentley no
JLR no
even Morgan is owned by a European investment group now…

Bac mono?
Atom?
Caterham?

Caterham. Obvs.

Caterham is owned by a Japanese firm these days

An MG, their lane keeping likes to swerve violently to the left.

[E63eeeeee...]

LARK F1 GTR said:

E63eeeeee... said:

On what planet are the socialist council housed single mother and the right-wing billionaire heiress's husband cheeks of the same arse? Must be fking weird where you live.

I was talking about the parties.

Sunak is right wing? Lol!!! Fantastic!! I'll leave this alone now before I actually do piss myself laughing.

The Daily Mail seems to think so


And given their history, I'd say they ought to be a reliable judge on the topic.

[LimmerickLad]

LeftmostAardvark said:

And the watered down version of PR that ended up getting offered to the public after numerous backroom deals.

As he often did, Billy says it best: https://youtu.be/Rq3SMpvOdTY?feature=shared

Never seen that one

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Dave200 said:

Again, absolute twaddle. Support for Labour across the socio-economic grades was broadly even, and voters from all groups were most likely to pick Labour.

Points taken, I would therefore point out in response that:

a) The socio economic classes only apply at a national level, in marginal seats, in leavy suburbs in England they don't apply. i.e. champagne socialists and skint people do vote Labour in Windsor but there is not enough of them to make a difference

b) the votes by the middle classes nationally have been cast *before* Labour commits to all the Tax increases that it did not place into it's manifesto.

c) All the political parties lied about the state of the countries finances and therefore....

d) It is the middle classes (yes, the 40%+ tax payers and the people sitting on fat houses) now footing the bill through to 2029, a bill that's about to appear as if by magic from out of nowhere, probably in October.

It is is the support of these middle-class people that Labour will need, inside the marginal, middle-england seats that Labour needs to keep a hold of, especially, if the SNP sort their house out (*sic*). If Labour can't keep hold of a good chunk of the middle england marginal seats, they will be out in 2029.

[mr_tony]

frisbee said:

lord summerisle said:

S600BSB said:

mr_tony said:

eldar said:

G-wiz said:

Audi not a good look to drive into Buck House.

Rishi, what a prat, cannot do anything correct.

Are there no suitable British cars he could have chosen?

For example?

Tough one…
Lotus.. no
McLaren no
Aston no
Bentley no
JLR no
even Morgan is owned by a European investment group now…

Bac mono?
Atom?
Caterham?

Caterham. Obvs.

Caterham is owned by a Japanese firm these days

An MG, their lane keeping likes to swerve violently to the left.

Well MG are owned by the Chinese Communist Party I suppose….

[Blackpuddin]

CloudStuff said:

Wonderful

https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/18091667131805...

That's the best thing I've seen in years

[Blackpuddin]

frisbee said:

lord summerisle said:

S600BSB said:

mr_tony said:

eldar said:

G-wiz said:

Audi not a good look to drive into Buck House.

Rishi, what a prat, cannot do anything correct.

Are there no suitable British cars he could have chosen?

For example?

Tough one…
Lotus.. no
McLaren no
Aston no
Bentley no
JLR no
even Morgan is owned by a European investment group now…

Bac mono?
Atom?
Caterham?

Caterham. Obvs.

Caterham is owned by a Japanese firm these days

An MG, their lane keeping likes to swerve violently to the left.

In fairness it was the PH-friendly S8.

[Unreal]

119 said:

The bitterness of some people regarding Nige getting in to parliament is just bizarre, especially considering he will have virtually no voice in there anyway.

Even the news channels can't stop themselves mentioning it's his eighth attempt.

He has got the platform he wanted, a decent proportion of the national vote and eyes set on 2029. It would appear to be job done for now, just like SKS, and just like with Kier, the next few years will enable us to assess what progress has been made.

I think by-elections might be particularly interesting during this term. One of the biggest obstacles for small parties is a sense that they represent a wasted vote. I think Reform may have shown that fear can be overcome now. I think it will be quite a moment of reflection for Tory voters. Why did they cling to the Tories and what if they had voted Reform?

Edited by Unreal on Friday 5th July 16:08

[pheonix478]

Dave200 said:

rscott said:

Dave200 said:

Carl_VivaEspana said:

smn159 said:

The country has given their verdict on that and it's going to take a while to start to put right - but at least some grown ups are back in the room to start doing so.

as pointed out elsewhere, there's approx 9 million labour voters and 6 million public sector workers. The remainder of the 3 million were 2.9999m benefits scroungers and me (joke).

I exaggerate of course but it's unlikely that many in the 40%+ tax bracket voted red and therefore he has 4.5 years to win their vote otherwise Labour are back out of power in 5 years.

Again, absolute twaddle. Support for Labour across the socio-economic grades was broadly even, and voters from all groups were most likely to pick Labour.

The Ashcroft poll posted earlier backs that up too - https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2024/07/how-britain-... - shows that social grade AB were the group most likely to vote for Labour. That group is "Higher and intermediate managerial, administrative and professional occupations", so will have more higher rate tax payers than any other.

But the expat confidently said "it's unlikely that many in the 40%+ tax bracket voted red". So it must be true.

Does "social grade AB" actually translate to income though? I have no idea. "Higher and intermediate managerial, administrative and professional occupations", describes much of the public sector...

[Castrol for a knave]

For balance, as much as I was never a fan of David Davies, credit to him for this in his speech.



"I take full responsibility for my defeat - I'm not going to blame anybody else.

This was my defeat. I lost to the better candidate.

I congratulate Anna Dixon - she fought a very effective, energetic, fair campaign.

She deserved to win - and I wish her well.

She's got the makings of a very good local MP".

[acer12]

p1stonhead said:

acer12 said:

bhstewie said:

So far.

Delighted Johnny mercer got shown the road, people finally saw through the vomit pr he is famous for. I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting such a vain person, a truely ineffective representative unless a camera was pointing at him.

I’ve seen a few things about him (and his missus) over the last few months that led me to conclude he was a thoroughly horrible person. Glad he’s gone.

Well he has his mrs and few mates on his payroll so an adjustment will be required.

The state of his twitter account sums him, PR and photoshoots!!
https://x.com/JohnnyMercerUK?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogl...

[S600BSB]

acer12 said:

p1stonhead said:

acer12 said:

bhstewie said:

So far.

Delighted Johnny mercer got shown the road, people finally saw through the vomit pr he is famous for. I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting such a vain person, a truely ineffective representative unless a camera was pointing at him.

I’ve seen a few things about him (and his missus) over the last few months that led me to conclude he was a thoroughly horrible person. Glad he’s gone.

Well he has his mrs and few mates on his payroll so an adjustment will be required.

The state of his twitter account sums him, PR and photoshoots!!
https://x.com/JohnnyMercerUK?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogl...

Taken out by special forces.

[Byker28i]

Dave200 said:

"They are all the same mate. Reform is the only party who can change it."

That Reform party led by ... checks notes ... multimillionaire, public schoolboy Nige the Liar.

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/06/11/nigel-farage-and-an-extraordinary-lack-of-curiosity-from-uk-government-and-intelligence-services-over-possible-russian-interference-in-brexit/


Putin supporting, so much that Russian bots were pushing disinformation to support him.
https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/01/how-putins-trol...
https://news.sky.com/story/gravely-concerning-clai...

[biggbn]

Derek Smith said:

MC Bodge said:

biggbn said:

Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger

He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good.

My son met him a number of times when he, Corbyn, was leader. He found him honest, direct and approachable. He appeared to take an interest in people around him. He reckoned that if he'd have voted for him in his constituency. If he got through to my lad, who meets a number of politicians in his job and is quite cynical when it comes to them, it might be easier to understand his popularity with his voters as he meets with a lot of them.

He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.

Always seemed a decent, personable fella to me. Portrayed as the exact opposite...wonder why?

[119]

biggbn said:

Derek Smith said:

MC Bodge said:

biggbn said:

Say what you like about Corbyn but on old fashioned campaigning and very little budget he held his seat. That's not a protest vote, an anti tory vote, that's because people in that area like him. Pleased for the old bugger

He was very much the wrong man to lead Labour, but his short post-election interview on C4 was actually very good.

My son met him a number of times when he, Corbyn, was leader. He found him honest, direct and approachable. He appeared to take an interest in people around him. He reckoned that if he'd have voted for him in his constituency. If he got through to my lad, who meets a number of politicians in his job and is quite cynical when it comes to them, it might be easier to understand his popularity with his voters as he meets with a lot of them.

He has a cause he believes in and goes for it. He did not enrich himself while leader, so no chance of him being PM.

Always seemed a decent, personable fella to me. Portrayed as the exact opposite...wonder why?

Even you could use the internet to find out why.

I have never despised anyone more than that odious individual.

[biggbn]

carlo996 said:

Just be thankful Labour weren't in charge during the pandemic. Starmer isn't a great leader, or speaker. Boris used to savage him regularly. Once the afterglow has faded and reality dawns I am sure the same 'incompetence' will be there for all to see, we are dealing with politicians. As for the 'country' the turnout was pathetic, which shows how motivating Starmer was....... in supposedly the worst hour of a government we have ever seen?

No fan of Starmer, but Boris couldn't savage a one armed Teddy bear.