Discussion
crankedup5 said:
Legacywr said:
Reform can offer whatever they like, they know they won’t get the chance to implement anything, Farage is just using the party to get himself elected to parliament.
Another move forward,an admittance that Farage will be elected to be a MP.I posted a question here about just one of Reform’s policies. Stopping immigration. It’s amazing that not one person has come up with any proposal that counters my post.
Doesn’t say a lot for Reform voters on here does it?
Harry Flashman said:
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This is simply a verbose version of the 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' trope.What you fail to dicuss is the serious and material drawbacks caused at least in part by extremely high net immigration - ballooning housing costs, a social housing crisis, and declining public services. Yes we need high skilled and social care employed immigrants, but equally not armies of low skilled Deliveroo drivers or nail bar workers.
Harry Flashman said:
This post encapsulates exactly why it isn't worth having economic arguments with the rabid anti-immigration crowd. "Importing people".
In a declining birth rate, ageing population, single economic centre, high-cost economy, these fools genuinely believe that we don't need more tax-paying citizens.
The same people moaning about the NHS denying that we need foreign workers to staff it. Or banging on about the lack of trades, and how unreliable they all are whilst wanting to send all the Poles home.
The more liberal media like to portray this as a people being lied to by the right wing. Personally, I think its beyond being credulous - it's just being thick.
But sure. Nigel and his merry band of populists have the answer. Stop the boats. This rot was epitomised by the Tory Brexit negotiations: things like the ludicrous focus on fishing rights whilst completely ignoring financial services, the engine of the British economy today.
Japan is an abject lesson. And one that no one wishes to learn.
This anti-intellectual, pro-scapegoat move in politics is as dangerous as it is depressing. One of the pro-Reform folk on here got half of it right: Tribalism. I'll go further. We don't discuss policy and it's consequences. We discuss belief. Close the borders, save our culture. Make America Great Again. Le Pen winning France. All these factions have great taglines, and policies designed to appeal to people who don't think very far down the line, but can be easily scared. And that's OK, that's democracy after all. We go with the majority.
The trouble is that, as France shows, the majority are just apathetic and don't vote. That's how the crazies get in. We have successfully neutered centrist politics by addicting our populations to things and easy credit, and blame, rather than political responsibility or a thirst for knowledge. Education is tailored to the lowest achieving, and we would rather furlough people in lockdown and give contracts to our cronies than fix our school system or health service.
The Spitfires over cricket fields Johnny-Foreigner-took-my-job bunch have a long, hard retirement coming. Their champions have identified their lowbrow whimsy, isolated them, cut them off from their neighbouring economies, sowed hate and distrust and emasculated Britain's economy. And the worst of these champions are now the kernel of Reform; a party captained by the cynical, with the bigoted as their footsoldiers.
Yeah, stop the bloody boats. That's going to fix it all.
You are missing the simple fact that the two main parties have manifesto commitments on immigration. This has happened not because of jingoism, but because net migration is increasing and our public services are faltering:In a declining birth rate, ageing population, single economic centre, high-cost economy, these fools genuinely believe that we don't need more tax-paying citizens.
The same people moaning about the NHS denying that we need foreign workers to staff it. Or banging on about the lack of trades, and how unreliable they all are whilst wanting to send all the Poles home.
The more liberal media like to portray this as a people being lied to by the right wing. Personally, I think its beyond being credulous - it's just being thick.
But sure. Nigel and his merry band of populists have the answer. Stop the boats. This rot was epitomised by the Tory Brexit negotiations: things like the ludicrous focus on fishing rights whilst completely ignoring financial services, the engine of the British economy today.
Japan is an abject lesson. And one that no one wishes to learn.
This anti-intellectual, pro-scapegoat move in politics is as dangerous as it is depressing. One of the pro-Reform folk on here got half of it right: Tribalism. I'll go further. We don't discuss policy and it's consequences. We discuss belief. Close the borders, save our culture. Make America Great Again. Le Pen winning France. All these factions have great taglines, and policies designed to appeal to people who don't think very far down the line, but can be easily scared. And that's OK, that's democracy after all. We go with the majority.
The trouble is that, as France shows, the majority are just apathetic and don't vote. That's how the crazies get in. We have successfully neutered centrist politics by addicting our populations to things and easy credit, and blame, rather than political responsibility or a thirst for knowledge. Education is tailored to the lowest achieving, and we would rather furlough people in lockdown and give contracts to our cronies than fix our school system or health service.
The Spitfires over cricket fields Johnny-Foreigner-took-my-job bunch have a long, hard retirement coming. Their champions have identified their lowbrow whimsy, isolated them, cut them off from their neighbouring economies, sowed hate and distrust and emasculated Britain's economy. And the worst of these champions are now the kernel of Reform; a party captained by the cynical, with the bigoted as their footsoldiers.
Yeah, stop the bloody boats. That's going to fix it all.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
ONS said:
Before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, migration was relatively stable, but patterns and behaviours have been shifting considerably since then; net migration increased sharply since 2021 because of a rise in non-EU immigration driven by a range of factors including those arriving on humanitarian routes (including Ukrainian and British National (Overseas) schemes), as well as an increase in non-EU students and workers.
Most people want immigration control. The two main parties and reform are equally committed to that aim. Any difference is superficial. Olivera said:
Harry Flashman said:
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This is simply a verbose version of the 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' trope.What you fail to dicuss is the serious and material drawbacks caused at least in part by extremely high net immigration - ballooning housing costs, a social housing crisis, and declining public services. Yes we need high skilled and social care employed immigrants, but equally not armies of low skilled Deliveroo drivers or nail bar workers.
You see it really easy to stop immigration but it’s very hard to manage an economy without having sufficient tax take.
Sadly many Reform voters do not have the intellect to even understand the challenge let alone a solution so flock to the likes of Farage and his simplistic nonsense.
Do you even know the make up of last years immigration numbers?
Olivera said:
Harry Flashman said:
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This is simply a verbose version of the 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' trope.What you fail to dicuss is the serious and material drawbacks caused at least in part by extremely high net immigration - ballooning housing costs, a social housing crisis, and declining public services. Yes we need high skilled and social care employed immigrants, but equally not armies of low skilled Deliveroo drivers or nail bar workers.
Nomme de Plum said:
Vanden Saab said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Of course immigration can go on indefinitely. How else would you maintain a viable working economy?
Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Of course... good grief. Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
If we continue to increase our population indefinitely as you seem to be suggesting it will just continue until you run out of people to add to the population. Reducing the population slowly as the boomers die off will allow this to happen organically and is the only way.
The world population increase is already slowing and will soon start falling so your scheme will eventually run out of willing participants anyway. Better to start now rather than leave the mess for your offspring to have to deal with.
Nomme de Plum said:
Olivera said:
Harry Flashman said:
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This is simply a verbose version of the 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' trope.What you fail to dicuss is the serious and material drawbacks caused at least in part by extremely high net immigration - ballooning housing costs, a social housing crisis, and declining public services. Yes we need high skilled and social care employed immigrants, but equally not armies of low skilled Deliveroo drivers or nail bar workers.
You see it really easy to stop immigration but it’s very hard to manage an economy without having sufficient tax take.
Sadly many Reform voters do not have the intellect to even understand the challenge let alone a solution so flock to the likes of Farage and his simplistic nonsense.
Do you even know the make up of last years immigration numbers?
Firstly, by snidely sniping at my post: it's just Project Fear all over again, right? Those smart historians and economists aren't to be trusted. They're educated. C'mon lads. We're better off on our own. We always have been.
Let's ban the foreigners. House prices are all their fault. And absolutely not the result of cheap credit, sale of council houses, NIMBY politics and selling everyone the dream of home ownership as an investment theory.
Secondly by the nail bar/Deliveroo comment. Who else is going to deliver his takeaways?
Capitalism is a pyramid. It's not a system whereby you get to admit a load of doctors, but can't have basic services performed because you haven't got the unskilled workforce.
Nomme de Plum said:
How about addressing my post about the working versus retired ratio?
You see it really easy to stop immigration but it’s very hard to manage an economy without having sufficient tax take.
Sadly many Reform voters do not have the intellect to even understand the challenge let alone a solution so flock to the likes of Farage and his simplistic nonsense.
Do you even know the make up of last years immigration numbers?
Yep.You see it really easy to stop immigration but it’s very hard to manage an economy without having sufficient tax take.
Sadly many Reform voters do not have the intellect to even understand the challenge let alone a solution so flock to the likes of Farage and his simplistic nonsense.
Do you even know the make up of last years immigration numbers?
I asked this ages ago about how and who is going to do the low paid, long houred heavy work that is been shunned by indigenous Brits like care work, like the hospitality industry and so on and there was silence or wishy washy answers like reducing benefits to get people working and one bright spark said AI would solve everything.
We are getting older. We are not having enough kids. We are leaving the workplace at earlier ages and we are living longer. If we want to remain productive as a nation we have to replace the workers we have and to grow as an economy we need more workers to service it and we to keep the oldies healthy and clean. Who will be wiping your arse when you are dribbling in a care home?
Without immigration we are doomed. We should be welcoming people coming over here who are willing to do the jobs that we aren’t instead of demonising them
Edited by valiant on Tuesday 2nd July 22:31
Harry Flashman said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Olivera said:
Harry Flashman said:
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This is simply a verbose version of the 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' trope.What you fail to dicuss is the serious and material drawbacks caused at least in part by extremely high net immigration - ballooning housing costs, a social housing crisis, and declining public services. Yes we need high skilled and social care employed immigrants, but equally not armies of low skilled Deliveroo drivers or nail bar workers.
You see it really easy to stop immigration but it’s very hard to manage an economy without having sufficient tax take.
Sadly many Reform voters do not have the intellect to even understand the challenge let alone a solution so flock to the likes of Farage and his simplistic nonsense.
Do you even know the make up of last years immigration numbers?
Firstly, by snidely sniping at my post: it's just Project Fear all over again, right? Those smart historians and economists aren't to be trusted. They're educated. C'mon lads. We're better off on our own. We always have been.
Let's ban the foreigners. House prices are all their fault. And absolutely not the result of cheap credit, sale of council houses, NIMBY politics and selling everyone the dream of home ownership as an investment theory.
Secondly by the nail bar/Deliveroo comment. Who else is going to deliver his takeaways?
Capitalism is a pyramid. It's not a system whereby you get to admit a load of doctors, but can't have basic services performed because you haven't got the unskilled workforce.
https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/State-dep...
Elysium said:
Harry Flashman said:
This post encapsulates exactly why it isn't worth having economic arguments with the rabid anti-immigration crowd. "Importing people".
In a declining birth rate, ageing population, single economic centre, high-cost economy, these fools genuinely believe that we don't need more tax-paying citizens.
The same people moaning about the NHS denying that we need foreign workers to staff it. Or banging on about the lack of trades, and how unreliable they all are whilst wanting to send all the Poles home.
The more liberal media like to portray this as a people being lied to by the right wing. Personally, I think its beyond being credulous - it's just being thick.
But sure. Nigel and his merry band of populists have the answer. Stop the boats. This rot was epitomised by the Tory Brexit negotiations: things like the ludicrous focus on fishing rights whilst completely ignoring financial services, the engine of the British economy today.
Japan is an abject lesson. And one that no one wishes to learn.
This anti-intellectual, pro-scapegoat move in politics is as dangerous as it is depressing. One of the pro-Reform folk on here got half of it right: Tribalism. I'll go further. We don't discuss policy and it's consequences. We discuss belief. Close the borders, save our culture. Make America Great Again. Le Pen winning France. All these factions have great taglines, and policies designed to appeal to people who don't think very far down the line, but can be easily scared. And that's OK, that's democracy after all. We go with the majority.
The trouble is that, as France shows, the majority are just apathetic and don't vote. That's how the crazies get in. We have successfully neutered centrist politics by addicting our populations to things and easy credit, and blame, rather than political responsibility or a thirst for knowledge. Education is tailored to the lowest achieving, and we would rather furlough people in lockdown and give contracts to our cronies than fix our school system or health service.
The Spitfires over cricket fields Johnny-Foreigner-took-my-job bunch have a long, hard retirement coming. Their champions have identified their lowbrow whimsy, isolated them, cut them off from their neighbouring economies, sowed hate and distrust and emasculated Britain's economy. And the worst of these champions are now the kernel of Reform; a party captained by the cynical, with the bigoted as their footsoldiers.
Yeah, stop the bloody boats. That's going to fix it all.
You are missing the simple fact that the two main parties have manifesto commitments on immigration. This has happened not because of jingoism, but because net migration is increasing and our public services are faltering:In a declining birth rate, ageing population, single economic centre, high-cost economy, these fools genuinely believe that we don't need more tax-paying citizens.
The same people moaning about the NHS denying that we need foreign workers to staff it. Or banging on about the lack of trades, and how unreliable they all are whilst wanting to send all the Poles home.
The more liberal media like to portray this as a people being lied to by the right wing. Personally, I think its beyond being credulous - it's just being thick.
But sure. Nigel and his merry band of populists have the answer. Stop the boats. This rot was epitomised by the Tory Brexit negotiations: things like the ludicrous focus on fishing rights whilst completely ignoring financial services, the engine of the British economy today.
Japan is an abject lesson. And one that no one wishes to learn.
This anti-intellectual, pro-scapegoat move in politics is as dangerous as it is depressing. One of the pro-Reform folk on here got half of it right: Tribalism. I'll go further. We don't discuss policy and it's consequences. We discuss belief. Close the borders, save our culture. Make America Great Again. Le Pen winning France. All these factions have great taglines, and policies designed to appeal to people who don't think very far down the line, but can be easily scared. And that's OK, that's democracy after all. We go with the majority.
The trouble is that, as France shows, the majority are just apathetic and don't vote. That's how the crazies get in. We have successfully neutered centrist politics by addicting our populations to things and easy credit, and blame, rather than political responsibility or a thirst for knowledge. Education is tailored to the lowest achieving, and we would rather furlough people in lockdown and give contracts to our cronies than fix our school system or health service.
The Spitfires over cricket fields Johnny-Foreigner-took-my-job bunch have a long, hard retirement coming. Their champions have identified their lowbrow whimsy, isolated them, cut them off from their neighbouring economies, sowed hate and distrust and emasculated Britain's economy. And the worst of these champions are now the kernel of Reform; a party captained by the cynical, with the bigoted as their footsoldiers.
Yeah, stop the bloody boats. That's going to fix it all.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
ONS said:
Before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, migration was relatively stable, but patterns and behaviours have been shifting considerably since then; net migration increased sharply since 2021 because of a rise in non-EU immigration driven by a range of factors including those arriving on humanitarian routes (including Ukrainian and British National (Overseas) schemes), as well as an increase in non-EU students and workers.
Most people want immigration control. The two main parties and reform are equally committed to that aim. Any difference is superficial. It is easy to blame things on immigrants. That doesn’t make it so. Given the net contribution made by EU immigrants, it was lunacy to cut that off.
What we probably need is a truly dystopian Government who will ban birth control and abortion. Otherwise how else will the country function?
In Japan, the fastest-growing sector of the prison population are the elderly - committing crimes so they’ll be housed and not be a burden on their families.
Arguably overly-generous pensions have queered the pitch. People no longer feel the need to procreate in order to provide for them in old age. That’s created a demographic time bomb.
I know many people don’t like this. I understand why. I’d love there to be a different way. But what is it?
Nomme de Plum said:
He will sit in parliament like he did in the EU and do very little other than to sow discontent. He’ll take his 80k or so plus allowances and expenses.
It would be good if a number of constituents ensured he acted on their behalf and took up local causes. I wonder how much luck they will have. Having a constituency office and holding surgeries in a bar of the local pub doesn’t quite cut it.
It's not like his constituency could use some attention or anything.It would be good if a number of constituents ensured he acted on their behalf and took up local causes. I wonder how much luck they will have. Having a constituency office and holding surgeries in a bar of the local pub doesn’t quite cut it.
skwdenyer said:
Our services are faltering because of crap Government, not immigration.
It is easy to blame things on immigrants. That doesn’t make it so. Given the net contribution made by EU immigrants, it was lunacy to cut that off.
What we probably need is a truly dystopian Government who will ban birth control and abortion. Otherwise how else will the country function?
In Japan, the fastest-growing sector of the prison population are the elderly - committing crimes so they’ll be housed and not be a burden on their families.
Arguably overly-generous pensions have queered the pitch. People no longer feel the need to procreate in order to provide for them in old age. That’s created a demographic time bomb.
I know many people don’t like this. I understand why. I’d love there to be a different way. But what is it?
Regardless of our aging population there has to be some sort of limit to population growthIt is easy to blame things on immigrants. That doesn’t make it so. Given the net contribution made by EU immigrants, it was lunacy to cut that off.
What we probably need is a truly dystopian Government who will ban birth control and abortion. Otherwise how else will the country function?
In Japan, the fastest-growing sector of the prison population are the elderly - committing crimes so they’ll be housed and not be a burden on their families.
Arguably overly-generous pensions have queered the pitch. People no longer feel the need to procreate in order to provide for them in old age. That’s created a demographic time bomb.
I know many people don’t like this. I understand why. I’d love there to be a different way. But what is it?
Net migration to push UK population to 74m by 2036, ONS projects https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68139947
ONS forecasts net migration of 6.1m between now and 2036. That’s equivalent to 2.5 cities the size of Birmingham.
Harry Flashman said:
He makes my point for me - doubly.
Firstly, by snidely sniping at my post: it's just Project Fear all over again, right? Those smart historians and economists aren't to be trusted. They're educated. C'mon lads. We're better off on our own. We always have been.
Let's ban the foreigners. House prices are all their fault. And absolutely not the result of cheap credit, sale of council houses, NIMBY politics and selling everyone the dream of home ownership as an investment theory.
Secondly by the nail bar/Deliveroo comment. Who else is going to deliver his takeaways?
Capitalism is a pyramid. It's not a system whereby you get to admit a load of doctors, but can't have basic services performed because you haven't got the unskilled workforce.
Like I said, your post was a reworded but content facsimile of the condescending 'brexiteers are all uneducated thickos' slogan. No need to be rude in response, but that's what it was.Firstly, by snidely sniping at my post: it's just Project Fear all over again, right? Those smart historians and economists aren't to be trusted. They're educated. C'mon lads. We're better off on our own. We always have been.
Let's ban the foreigners. House prices are all their fault. And absolutely not the result of cheap credit, sale of council houses, NIMBY politics and selling everyone the dream of home ownership as an investment theory.
Secondly by the nail bar/Deliveroo comment. Who else is going to deliver his takeaways?
Capitalism is a pyramid. It's not a system whereby you get to admit a load of doctors, but can't have basic services performed because you haven't got the unskilled workforce.
I do concede that we still need significant, but vastly reduced, net immigration. However PHers that refuse to acknowledge *any* significant problems caused by extremely high net immigration are either ignorant, or more likely privileged (as noted by the posters) and hence completely oblivious to working class concerns.
Vanden Saab said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Vanden Saab said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Of course immigration can go on indefinitely. How else would you maintain a viable working economy?
Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Of course... good grief. Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
If we continue to increase our population indefinitely as you seem to be suggesting it will just continue until you run out of people to add to the population. Reducing the population slowly as the boomers die off will allow this to happen organically and is the only way.
The world population increase is already slowing and will soon start falling so your scheme will eventually run out of willing participants anyway. Better to start now rather than leave the mess for your offspring to have to deal with.
You misinterpreted what I said I said we needed absolutely to continue with immigration. We have a fertility rate so low that our population would be completely unsustainable without it. I fail to understand how people cannot grasp this. The burden falls on the working population to support the non working and that balance is critical.
The global population will top out at 10. Something billion. Isn’t it amazing that Hans Rosling predicted a number of 11Bn quite a few years ago before the population debate really took off.
You still have not come up with how we get the ratio back to sustainable levels.
However Reform try to wrap it up they don’t like foreigners diluting the U.K as they see it.
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 2nd July 22:59
Olivera said:
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I do concede that we still need significant, but vastly reduced, net immigration. However PHers that refuse to acknowledge *any* significant problems caused by extremely high net immigration are either ignorant, or more likely privileged (as noted by the posters) and hence completely oblivious to working class concerns.
Maybe common ground.I do concede that we still need significant, but vastly reduced, net immigration. However PHers that refuse to acknowledge *any* significant problems caused by extremely high net immigration are either ignorant, or more likely privileged (as noted by the posters) and hence completely oblivious to working class concerns.
The problem is politics though and the electorate not immigration in itself.
Like I said previously to Kermit on here that banged the birth ratio drum, those on a 20 year waiting list for social housing, or paying £1200 in rent on minimum wage, or saving 50k for 10 years to get a housing deposit, don't give a single f
k about demographic challenges a generation hence. They just want affordable housing costs now, which precludes out of control net immigration that greatly exacerbates these issues.
k about demographic challenges a generation hence. They just want affordable housing costs now, which precludes out of control net immigration that greatly exacerbates these issues.Olivera said:
Like I said previously to Kermit on here that banged the birth ratio drum, those on a 20 year waiting list for social housing, or paying £1200 in rent on minimum wage, or saving 50k for 10 years to get a housing deposit, don't give a single fk about demographic challenges a generation hence. They just want affordable housing costs now, which precludes out of control net immigration that greatly exacerbates these issues.
Except it is controlled by this Goverment. You happen not to like what they have approved.k about demographic challenges a generation hence. They just want affordable housing costs now, which precludes out of control net immigration that greatly exacerbates these issues.The housing issue is at the Governments door we could have built hundreds of thousands more houses. I would add thee previous Labour government should have reversed right to buy which triggered the problem in the first place. Now LAs don’t have the funds to build rental houses.
That’s what voting Tory has done.
Nomme de Plum said:
Except it is controlled by this Goverment. You happen not to like what they have approved.
The housing issue is at the Governments door we could have built hundreds of thousands more houses. I would add thee previous Labour government should have reversed right to buy which triggered the problem in the first place. Now LAs don’t have the funds to build rental houses.
That’s what voting Tory has done.
I mostly concur, the Tories have been abject in many respects, hence the Reform backlash. However housing is a problem of both supply and demand - yes we need more house building and planning reform, but a ballooning population needs dampened to address the latter.The housing issue is at the Governments door we could have built hundreds of thousands more houses. I would add thee previous Labour government should have reversed right to buy which triggered the problem in the first place. Now LAs don’t have the funds to build rental houses.
That’s what voting Tory has done.
Olivera said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Except it is controlled by this Goverment. You happen not to like what they have approved.
The housing issue is at the Governments door we could have built hundreds of thousands more houses. I would add thee previous Labour government should have reversed right to buy which triggered the problem in the first place. Now LAs don’t have the funds to build rental houses.
That’s what voting Tory has done.
I mostly concur, the Tories have been abject in many respects, hence the Reform backlash. However housing is a problem of both supply and demand - yes we need more house building and planning reform, but a ballooning population needs dampened to address the latter.The housing issue is at the Governments door we could have built hundreds of thousands more houses. I would add thee previous Labour government should have reversed right to buy which triggered the problem in the first place. Now LAs don’t have the funds to build rental houses.
That’s what voting Tory has done.
What will happen to the many high tech and many industries that require staff .if we choke off expertise entering he country. They will either stop growing, fail or move overseas.
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