Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Nomme de Plum said:
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Continue the Tory policy of enabling people to die younger? Preferably as close to retirement age as possible. See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Nomme de Plum said:
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Define the age of elderly non working types?See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
The reason people are defecting from the Tories to Reform is simply because Reform are saying they are going to do all of the things the Tories said they would do, or should have done, but didn't.
It is unknown whether Reform would be able to deliver. But it is known that the Tories can't.
There is no reason to vote Tory. So a third of Tory voters won't show up at all and another third will vote for Reform. Only the hard core third will still vote Tory.
I don't know why the Reform haters on here are getting so excited. Labour are going to win by a country mile regardless.
If you don't like Reform, and you don't like the idea of a massive Labour majority, what the f
k do you want ?
It is unknown whether Reform would be able to deliver. But it is known that the Tories can't.
There is no reason to vote Tory. So a third of Tory voters won't show up at all and another third will vote for Reform. Only the hard core third will still vote Tory.
I don't know why the Reform haters on here are getting so excited. Labour are going to win by a country mile regardless.
If you don't like Reform, and you don't like the idea of a massive Labour majority, what the f
k do you want ?Nomme de Plum said:
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
At what point are you going to advocate for stopping importing people. You do know it will have to happen at some point, yes? Or are you someone who thinks it can go on indefinitely and hope it will be the next generations problem.See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
fourstardan said:
Nomme de Plum said:
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Define the age of elderly non working types?See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
I’d actually find it quite amusing to see immigration stopped and then watch the unravelling of public services and much of industry within a few years.
Vanden Saab said:
Nomme de Plum said:
We have an aging population and as a ratio of working to non working it was 4:1 many decades ago and now we are at 3:1 with a projection of 2:1 due to our overly low birth rate.
See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
At what point are you going to advocate for stopping importing people. You do know it will have to happen at some point, yes? Or are you someone who thinks it can go on indefinitely or do you hope it will be the next generations problem.See Japan for how pear shaped their debt ratio / economy is going?
How will Reform, who advocate no additional immigration deal with a working population who will be overly burdened with tax to support those elderly non working types many who may well vote Reform?
It seems they offer simple but utterly unrealistic policies to complete problems.
Even if we manage to get many of the working age but economically inactive people back to work it will not reinstate the. Higher ratio.
Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Nomme de Plum said:
Currently 67 when one receives the state pension, albeit some work longer. Doesn’t really work for heavy trade workers though.
I’d actually find it quite amusing to see immigration stopped and then watch the unravelling of public services and much of industry within a few years.
About the same time that the NHS is totally reorganised and needs only a fraction of their current staffing levels......I’d actually find it quite amusing to see immigration stopped and then watch the unravelling of public services and much of industry within a few years.
Nomme de Plum said:
Of course immigration can go on indefinitely. How else would you maintain a viable working economy?
Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Of course... good grief. Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Oilchange said:
Vanden Saab said:
At what point are you going to advocate for stopping importing people.
You make them sound like cargo. 
People want completion to shop at Aldi, Lidl, Morrisons, Tescos etc but resent competition for their job probably not realising that further up the tree the competition is truly fierce but keeps one sharp.
Where I am in Iowa there are no contracts of employment as we know them. Everyone is at large and it works both ways.
Vanden Saab said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Of course immigration can go on indefinitely. How else would you maintain a viable working economy?
Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
Of course... good grief. Lack of housing and adequate services was a chosen Tory policy. We needed 3 years of Austerity post 2010 then we should have invested in our country and got stuff like the now defunct rail project, new hospitals, Nuclear power alongside the other renewables.
Not to build affordable homes was a choice and now we reap the rewards of inflated private rents and expensive property.
I’m currently at my Daughters in the states and their economy is flying and yes both the Government and the individual States do subsidise industries through various mechanisms.
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