Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
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2xChevrons said:
Mrs T attached a big, enduring cohort into the Tory fold by selling them on the idea that they could become mini-capitalists. She did this by selling them shares in sold-off socialised infrastructure and (ironically for an ideology that idolised hard work and the value of money) selling them council houses at heavily discounted prices.
The Tory fold lived in council houses? Buying utility company shares certain triggered the investing bug in me. Been trading on and off since then, and its now my biggest source of retirement income.
I bought my own house though. My very socialist and workshy father in law lived in a council house
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Maybe not racism but maybe ill thought out nonsense perhaps? How does Nige’s policy of using the Royal Marines to land migrants back on French beaches work in practice?Do you think it’s workable or ill thought out, off the cuff nonsense?
They did after they bought them. My dear old dad had a successful buisness redecorating council houses. the scale would be in the hundreds at a time with a gang of lads working on them. Then Thatch sold them off & that was that. Two things from that period is that the houses weren't quite given away but were sold off at huge discounts & never really replaced. One of Thatcher's legacies is an ongoing housing shortage where council disposals were replaced at a ratio of less than 1 in 3 by housing associations. Very PH to saywork hard, save up, buy a place but not so easy to do when the chronic shortage jacks house prices up way beyond first time buyer's reach.
valiant said:
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Maybe not racism but maybe ill thought out nonsense perhaps? How does Nige’s policy of using the Royal Marines to land migrants back on French beaches work in practice?Do you think it’s workable or ill thought out, off the cuff nonsense?
valiant said:
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Maybe not racism but maybe ill thought out nonsense perhaps? How does Nige’s policy of using the Royal Marines to land migrants back on French beaches work in practice?Do you think it’s workable or ill thought out, off the cuff nonsense?
crankedup5 said:
valiant said:
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Maybe not racism but maybe ill thought out nonsense perhaps? How does Nige’s policy of using the Royal Marines to land migrants back on French beaches work in practice?Do you think it’s workable or ill thought out, off the cuff nonsense?
What about those who have bought into Reform’s current ‘contract’ and are voting solely based on that? Have they been duped? Do they not realise that Reform’s policies are ‘works in progress’?
BikeBikeBIke said:
valiant said:
crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Maybe not racism but maybe ill thought out nonsense perhaps? How does Nige’s policy of using the Royal Marines to land migrants back on French beaches work in practice?Do you think it’s workable or ill thought out, off the cuff nonsense?
Who_Goes_Blue said:
biggbn said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
valiant said:
Who_Goes_Blue said:
Which bit of reforms policies make them racist?
Who has said their policies are racist?They’re un-costed pie in the sky nonsense for the most part but racist? I don’t think anyone has stated it’s their policies that are racist.
President Merkin said:
They did after they bought them. My dear old dad had a successful buisness redecorating council houses. the scale would be in the hundreds at a time with a gang of lads working on them. Then Thatch sold them off & that was that. Two things from that period is that the houses weren't quite given away but were sold off at huge discounts & never really replaced. One of Thatcher's legacies is an ongoing housing shortage where council disposals were replaced at a ratio of less than 1 in 3 by housing associations. Very PH to saywork hard, save up, buy a place but not so easy to do when the chronic shortage jacks house prices up way beyond first time buyer's reach.
Your dad was a painter and decorator? You should mention it. All the time....crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Most will pretend that they don't think this or that they don't have unshakeable prejudice (aka bigotry) towards people even considering Reform as an option.....but the veneer is so thin, as to be a waste of time.This is where we are. This is the blind, tribalistic world we live in.
Fortunately most people have got so bored of the constant, hypocritical bigotry and being called racist, that it just doesn't stick anymore.
This thread is gathering pace as we near the election.
Reform are obviously getting right under peoples skins because we seem to have passed beyond reasonable discussion, to the point where people are just shouting out unfounded allegations of racism.
You are going to have to get past this.
Reform are obviously getting right under peoples skins because we seem to have passed beyond reasonable discussion, to the point where people are just shouting out unfounded allegations of racism.
You are going to have to get past this.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I think there's a difference between calling someone a racist and asking them what it is that draws them to a party with so many candidates with such appallingly racist views.
There is. One demands some element of firm ground, the other is a baseless claim, full of insinuation and implication of the very same thing without having to have any substance to it; a very cowardly way to about it.President Merkin said:
They did after they bought them. My dear old dad had a successful buisness redecorating council houses. the scale would be in the hundreds at a time with a gang of lads working on them. Then Thatch sold them off & that was that. Two things from that period is that the houses weren't quite given away but were sold off at huge discounts & never really replaced. One of Thatcher's legacies is an ongoing housing shortage where council disposals were replaced at a ratio of less than 1 in 3 by housing associations. Very PH to saywork hard, save up, buy a place but not so easy to do when the chronic shortage jacks house prices up way beyond first time buyer's reach.
It isn't that they were not replaced; it is that Thatcher specifically legislated it to make it illegal for Councils to use the money they received from sales to build new homes.crankedup5 said:
Plenty of posts aligning Reform U.K immigration policy to racism.
Despite the obvious fact that immigration control is also a key focus for both Labour and the Conservatives.It seems that people think Reform are doing it in a more racist way or perhaps that they enjoy it more because they are racist. Or maybe everyone is racist now?
Elysium said:
This thread is gathering pace as we near the election.
Reform are obviously getting right under peoples skins because we seem to have passed beyond reasonable discussion, to the point where people are just shouting out unfounded allegations of racism.
You are going to have to get past this.
They will never get past it. They have been doing it for so many years. It is a reflex action for them, like closing your eyes to a bright light. You could say it is a knee jerk reaction. Reform are obviously getting right under peoples skins because we seem to have passed beyond reasonable discussion, to the point where people are just shouting out unfounded allegations of racism.
You are going to have to get past this.
Almost without exception it is driven by a perceived moral superiority clearly seen in their other posting.
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