Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[smn159]

JagLover said:

Mr Penguin said:

Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?

Desperation by the Conservatives. Those politically aware will be aware of what is going on here and it will further tarnish their party, if indeed it could be further tarnished after all that we have seen.

Given that their main problem in opposition will be trust, and how to regain it, it is hardly a good move, all imo of course.

Yes, desperate behaviour to offer inducements to defect. You're right to say that it's all about trust

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/lee-anderson...

Not sure what the tories are offering the Reform lot, given the likely impending wipe out, but it doesn't seem to be taking much to get them to jump ship and bad mouth the party.

Probably says something about the type of people that they're attracting I suppose.

[NerveAgent]

JagLover said:

Mr Penguin said:

Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?

Desperation by the Conservatives. Those politically aware will be aware of what is going on here and it will further tarnish their party, if indeed it could be further tarnished after all that we have seen.

Given that their main problem in opposition will be trust, and how to regain it, it is hardly a good move, all imo of course.

How is it desperation by the conservatives when a Reform candidate defects? When you say “politically aware” you mean people that have gone down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

You have aligned with this now. Own it.

[markh1973]

fido said:

Mr Penguin said:

Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?

I don't think the Conservatives have ever been this desperate. Bribes, paying actors to say stuff .. allegedly . Even after Thatcher lost the population generally liked the Conservatives, they just lost the centre ground. This time round they are losing their core support - there is no centre ground left to speak of.

Edited by fido on Tuesday 2nd July 13:02

Hang on I thought it was C4 who had paid someone to put on a rough voice and say nasty things, but now the conspriacy theory from Fido is that the Conservative Party paid him.

[Tom8]

Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.

[bitchstewie]

Harry Flashman said:

I'm the child of (brown) migrants who came here escaping from a civil war. I am British, and owe a deep debt of gratitude to this country and most of its people for giving me a life that would have been denied to me. Despite that, my childhood was spent dodging National Front psychos who used to wait for me after school, and saw my parents treated with unbelievable bigotry at their workplaces and in life generally.

So yeah, I have views on people supporting a party whose members have been filmed stating that we should shoot migrants on the beaches, and who play far right anthems on their campaign materials, and who hate my kind, despite pretending not to.

But yes, I'm a racist. Good shout, genius.

Always find it funny on this thread how people who can't find it in themselves to call out the stream of continuous filth coming from Reform can manage to call someone a racist because they've pointed out an uncomfortable truth.

Of course when I say funny I actually mean grim as fk.

[cqueen]

markh1973 said:

Hang on I thought it was C4 who had paid someone to put on a rough voice and say nasty things, but now the conspriacy theory from Fido is that the Conservative Party paid him.

You're (deliberately) confusing two stories. Besides, Is there only 1 corruption allowed at a time?

Edited by cqueen on Tuesday 2nd July 13:19

[Vanden Saab]

Tom8 said:

Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.

Many will give Labour a chance this time but in 5 years time when they realise Labour are even worse than the Tories not so much.

[Countdown]

Tom8 said:

Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.

You don't see the correlation between the Tory vote tanking and the reform vote increasing?

[Rufus Stone]

Vanden Saab said:

Many will give Labour a chance this time but in 5 years time when they realise Labour are even worse than the Tories not so much.

You wish.

[Tom8]

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.

You don't see the correlation between the Tory vote tanking and the reform vote increasing?

I'll wait until friday morning.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Countdown said:

You don't see the correlation between the Tory vote tanking and the reform vote increasing?

This.

It seemed at odd post, it's blatantly obvious which party is scuppered by Reform and which benefits. There no "feel" about it, its fact.

[Countdown]

Tom8 said:

Countdown said:

Tom8 said:

Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.

You don't see the correlation between the Tory vote tanking and the reform vote increasing?

I'll wait until friday morning.

For what?

Are all the Reform voters going to come out and say "We're actually ex-Labour voters"?

Where do you think all the Tory voters have gone?

[Digga]

bhstewie said:

Harry Flashman said:

I'm the child of (brown) migrants who came here escaping from a civil war. I am British, and owe a deep debt of gratitude to this country and most of its people for giving me a life that would have been denied to me. Despite that, my childhood was spent dodging National Front psychos who used to wait for me after school, and saw my parents treated with unbelievable bigotry at their workplaces and in life generally.

So yeah, I have views on people supporting a party whose members have been filmed stating that we should shoot migrants on the beaches, and who play far right anthems on their campaign materials, and who hate my kind, despite pretending not to.

But yes, I'm a racist. Good shout, genius.

Always find it funny on this thread how people who can't find it in themselves to call out the stream of continuous filth coming from Reform can manage to call someone a racist because they've pointed out an uncomfortable truth.

Of course when I say funny I actually mean grim as fk.

If you're a British person referring to a Sikh Reform candidate as "token" then, whether you are plain, white-sliced, or of East African Asian refugee descent, it makes no odds. It is, definitively, a racist thing to say.

[crankedup5]

markh1973 said:

Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".

https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...

Trojan Horse planted by Tories.

[biggbn]

crankedup5 said:

markh1973 said:

Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".

https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...

Trojan Horse planted by Tories.

Really? Or an imaginary Trojan Horse? The Tories had the foresight to see how popular Reform would become and planted someone as a candidate.....Am I due a parrot?

[smn159]

crankedup5 said:

markh1973 said:

Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".

https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...

Trojan Horse planted by Tories.

Tice could tell you that dog st tastes of peanut butter and you'd be out there trying to make a sandwich

[President Merkin]

crankedup5 said:

Trojan Horse planted by Tories.

Nothing if not consistent. Maybe you should rewind to guide dogs again. That went better for you.

[S600BSB]

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

markh1973 said:

Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".

https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...

Trojan Horse planted by Tories.

Tice could tell you that dog st tastes of peanut butter and you'd be out there trying to make a sandwich

Very good!

[FourWheelDrift]

I didn't know they had filmed a new series of I'm Alan Partridge

https://new.reddit.com/r/AlanPartridge/comments/1d...

[fido]

markh1973 said:

Hang on I thought it was C4 who had paid someone to put on a rough voice and say nasty things, but now the conspriacy theory from Fido is that the Conservative Party paid him.

Who said that? All we know (so far) is actor bloke playing Alf Garnett turned up with undercover crew - no one has established who paid him (though C4 have explicitly denied it).