Discussion
markh1973 said:
Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".
https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...
Good for her. They need calling out.https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...
fido said:
The “you should vote Labour because you are xyz” is a identity politics thing which is prevalent on the left of politics at the moment.
From Quora:-
“Identity politics are particularly appealing to those whose political goals include socialism and compulsory wealth redistribution; Identity politics is Stage 1, and redistribution via socialism is Stage 2. How so? Well, if you can establish, for instance, that the luck of being born with “white privilege” (or hell, being Asian and “white adjacent”) and not, say, effort and risk-taking and adopting norms such as being more prone toward marriage before raising children fully explains all wealth accumulation, it becomes much easier to justify forcibly seizing it. Ill-gotten gains are easy — even morally right — to seize; those which are hard-earned through risk-taking, education and hard-work become morally harder to justify, and might even signal to those at lower income levels “hey, what if that might be me?””
From Quora:-
“Identity politics are particularly appealing to those whose political goals include socialism and compulsory wealth redistribution; Identity politics is Stage 1, and redistribution via socialism is Stage 2. How so? Well, if you can establish, for instance, that the luck of being born with “white privilege” (or hell, being Asian and “white adjacent”) and not, say, effort and risk-taking and adopting norms such as being more prone toward marriage before raising children fully explains all wealth accumulation, it becomes much easier to justify forcibly seizing it. Ill-gotten gains are easy — even morally right — to seize; those which are hard-earned through risk-taking, education and hard-work become morally harder to justify, and might even signal to those at lower income levels “hey, what if that might be me?””
Edited by fido on Tuesday 2nd July 11:19
S600BSB said:
markh1973 said:
Another Reform candidate stands down because the "vast majority" of her fellow candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted".
https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...
Good for her. They need calling out.https://news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate...
t sherlock moment...Surprised it took her so long to realise this to be honest.
Reform is a joke of a party.
Digga said:
President Merkin said:
Moreover, quoting Quora as an authoritative source on anything is like asking a dog for directions. You might get a response but it will be a useless waste of time.
Depends what you ask them. My dog knows which way "outside" or "in the van" is.I don't know who to believe these days (nobody?) but even in our odd little area there's rumours of the Conservative candidate offering the Reform guy a job if he stands down... despite all the polling suggesting a Labour win is on the cards.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ref...
Tice said:
Mr Tice told The Independent: “Turns out it is effective bribery: she offered him money with a plum job and being a key part of her team. Bet she did not tell you that? She bribed him to say these things because she is terrified of losing. She now regrets not defecting to us! She had her chance and blew it!”
The same Reform guy who said he didn't want to be an MP as he already earns 3x as much in his current job but "had to see it through now". Tice hit out on twitter / X about it:
https://x.com/ticerichard/status/18074631167013275...
Mr Penguin said:
Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?
Desperation by the Conservatives. Those politically aware will be aware of what is going on here and it will further tarnish their party, if indeed it could be further tarnished after all that we have seen.Given that their main problem in opposition will be trust, and how to regain it, it is hardly a good move, all imo of course.
Ridgemont said:
And just to clarify you accused someone you have no idea about of being a turkey voting for Christmas. With ‘token’ comment for good measure.
Good show.
Seems like you are a racist.
I'm the child of (brown) migrants who came here escaping from a civil war. I am British, and owe a deep debt of gratitude to this country and most of its people for giving me a life that would have been denied to me. Despite that, my childhood was spent dodging National Front psychos who used to wait for me after school, and saw my parents treated with unbelievable bigotry at their workplaces and in life generally.Good show.
Seems like you are a racist.
So yeah, I have views on people supporting a party whose members have been filmed stating that we should shoot migrants on the beaches, and who play far right anthems on their campaign materials, and who hate my kind, despite pretending not to.
But yes, I'm a racist. Good shout, genius.
Mr Penguin said:
Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?
I don't think the Conservatives have ever been this desperate. Bribes, paying actors to say stuff .. allegedly. Even after Thatcher lost the population generally liked the Conservatives, they just lost the centre ground. This time round they are losing their core support - there is no centre ground left to speak of.Edited by fido on Tuesday 2nd July 13:02
JagLover said:
Mr Penguin said:
Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?
Desperation by the Conservatives. Those politically aware will be aware of what is going on here and it will further tarnish their party, if indeed it could be further tarnished after all that we have seen.Given that their main problem in opposition will be trust, and how to regain it, it is hardly a good move, all imo of course.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/lee-anderson...
Not sure what the tories are offering the Reform lot, given the likely impending wipe out, but it doesn't seem to be taking much to get them to jump ship and bad mouth the party.
Probably says something about the type of people that they're attracting I suppose.
JagLover said:
Mr Penguin said:
Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?
Desperation by the Conservatives. Those politically aware will be aware of what is going on here and it will further tarnish their party, if indeed it could be further tarnished after all that we have seen.Given that their main problem in opposition will be trust, and how to regain it, it is hardly a good move, all imo of course.
You have aligned with this now. Own it.
fido said:
Mr Penguin said:
Another Reform candidate has defected to the Conservatives. I've never heard of defections during a campaign before - does anyone know the last time it happened?
I don't think the Conservatives have ever been this desperate. Bribes, paying actors to say stuff .. allegedly . Even after Thatcher lost the population generally liked the Conservatives, they just lost the centre ground. This time round they are losing their core support - there is no centre ground left to speak of.Edited by fido on Tuesday 2nd July 13:02
Harry Flashman said:
I'm the child of (brown) migrants who came here escaping from a civil war. I am British, and owe a deep debt of gratitude to this country and most of its people for giving me a life that would have been denied to me. Despite that, my childhood was spent dodging National Front psychos who used to wait for me after school, and saw my parents treated with unbelievable bigotry at their workplaces and in life generally.
So yeah, I have views on people supporting a party whose members have been filmed stating that we should shoot migrants on the beaches, and who play far right anthems on their campaign materials, and who hate my kind, despite pretending not to.
But yes, I'm a racist. Good shout, genius.
Always find it funny on this thread how people who can't find it in themselves to call out the stream of continuous filth coming from Reform can manage to call someone a racist because they've pointed out an uncomfortable truth.So yeah, I have views on people supporting a party whose members have been filmed stating that we should shoot migrants on the beaches, and who play far right anthems on their campaign materials, and who hate my kind, despite pretending not to.
But yes, I'm a racist. Good shout, genius.
Of course when I say funny I actually mean grim as f
k.markh1973 said:
Hang on I thought it was C4 who had paid someone to put on a rough voice and say nasty things, but now the conspriacy theory from Fido is that the Conservative Party paid him.
You're (deliberately) confusing two stories. Besides, Is there only 1 corruption allowed at a time?Edited by cqueen on Tuesday 2nd July 13:19
Tom8 said:
Strange how the tories feel so threatened by Reform. I always feel in the past, Reform/UKIP appeal to the what you would brand "working type" classes, many who would be typical labour voters.
Many will give Labour a chance this time but in 5 years time when they realise Labour are even worse than the Tories not so much. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff