Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
https://www.reformparty.uk/edmonton-and-winchmore-...
A 'token' black person.
I was jesting at the 'token' comments made earlier before I get my own feature on C4.
On the subject of .. TalkTV have a clip of the actor (4:40) with his normal voice and 'rough' character voice .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEp79hgSfE Compare that with the C4 expose and no sane person can tell me that wasn't acting!
A 'token' black person.
I was jesting at the 'token' comments made earlier before I get my own feature on C4.
On the subject of .. TalkTV have a clip of the actor (4:40) with his normal voice and 'rough' character voice .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEp79hgSfE Compare that with the C4 expose and no sane person can tell me that wasn't acting!
Edited by fido on Monday 1st July 21:46
Apparently electing the far-right will be an economic disaster for France!!!
Lucky it won't be for the UK eh?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1917652/Ni...
Lucky it won't be for the UK eh?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1917652/Ni...
fido said:
https://www.reformparty.uk/edmonton-and-winchmore-...
A 'token' black person.
I was jesting at the 'token' comments made earlier before I get my own feature on C4.
On the subject of .. TalkTV have a clip of the actor (4:40) with his normal voice and 'rough' character voice .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEp79hgSfE Compare that with the C4 expose and no sane person can tell me that wasn't acting!
That seems extraordinary. A 'token' black person.
I was jesting at the 'token' comments made earlier before I get my own feature on C4.
On the subject of .. TalkTV have a clip of the actor (4:40) with his normal voice and 'rough' character voice .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEp79hgSfE Compare that with the C4 expose and no sane person can tell me that wasn't acting!
Edited by fido on Monday 1st July 21:46
Does anyone really not believe the allegation after that?
sunbeam alpine said:
Apparently electing the far-right will be an economic disaster for France!!!
Lucky it won't be for the UK eh?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1917652/Ni...
Lucky it won't be for the UK eh?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1917652/Ni...
- sigh*
Look I hold little light to Reform (the commercial outlet of N.Farage plc) but the pathetic likening of Reform to the NF is beyond stupid.
This is a link to the NF policy platform as summarised by the DT.
https://archive.is/20240701092643/https://www.tele...
The noise in this thread re Farage is beyond ridiculous.
Killboy said:
Elysium said:
I just read about this story and knew immediately that you would have rushed to post it here as proof of Farage’s far right leanings.
It’s absolute desperate rubbish. I doubt anyone at reform had any idea what the song even was. Its ‘far right’ anthem status dates back all of 6 months. So unless you are pretty clued up on far right memes you are going to struggle to make the link.
Do better.
Yeah, they selected the song because it was radio 1's chart topper, nothing more.It’s absolute desperate rubbish. I doubt anyone at reform had any idea what the song even was. Its ‘far right’ anthem status dates back all of 6 months. So unless you are pretty clued up on far right memes you are going to struggle to make the link.
Do better.
https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/06/uefa-bans-lamour...
It was appropriated by German nationalists very very recently.
The title translates to “love always”. So not exactly hate speech.
Oh and it did chart pretty high. Number 1 in Austria and the Netherlands. Apparently there was even a Tiesto remix:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'amour_toujours
Stupidest smear attempt so far.
Labour are racist as well apparently:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/01/la...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/01/la...
James Cleverly said:
The sad truth is the racism I’ve received most recently has come from the political Left. That’s a sad indication of modern Left-wing politics, the idea that they’re very proud of black politicians, but only if they agree with their Left-wing ideology.
Amazing the stuff that gets dredged up near the end of elections by the parties with the most to loose....
Reform are "dangerous" because they've turned up with their own menu to the party and everyone is now wondering why the two main parties have fairly identical policies mainly centred around taking more money off you to spend on various things you don't care or want. Quick! Let's tell everyone they're racists so nobody starts talking about their ideas.
Reform are "dangerous" because they've turned up with their own menu to the party and everyone is now wondering why the two main parties have fairly identical policies mainly centred around taking more money off you to spend on various things you don't care or want. Quick! Let's tell everyone they're racists so nobody starts talking about their ideas.
Edited by MDMetal on Monday 1st July 23:56
skwdenyer said:
Vanden Saab said:
The most racist person I know is a Sikh, as I’ve said before.Rivenink said:
skwdenyer said:
The idea that only white people can be racist is just part of the faux-victimsation routine and is demonstrably false. Japan isn't looking at a population crises because it's got a liberal, woke, diversity friendly culture. You see a picture of a bloke who has a different skin colour and different politics and you are now conjuring up frankly blatantly racist uncle tom tropes to justify why he may have a different view of life from you.
Utter nonsense.
Shame on you both.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 2nd July 00:24
This is literally what James Cleverly was complaining about in the article I shared earlier.
Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
Ridgemont said:
Rivenink said:
skwdenyer said:
The idea that only white people can be racist is just part of the faux-victimsation routine and is demonstrably false. Japan isn't looking at a population crises because it's got a liberal, woke, diversity friendly culture. You see a picture of a bloke who has a different skin colour and different politics and you are now conjuring up frankly blatantly racist uncle tom tropes to justify why he may have a different view of life from you.
Utter nonsense.
Shame on you both.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 2nd July 00:24
I’m not conjuring up tropes; I’m explaining from direct personal experience that not all racists are white. Do you disagree?
skwdenyer said:
Ridgemont said:
Rivenink said:
skwdenyer said:
The idea that only white people can be racist is just part of the faux-victimsation routine and is demonstrably false. Japan isn't looking at a population crises because it's got a liberal, woke, diversity friendly culture. You see a picture of a bloke who has a different skin colour and different politics and you are now conjuring up frankly blatantly racist uncle tom tropes to justify why he may have a different view of life from you.
Utter nonsense.
Shame on you both.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 2nd July 00:24
I’m not conjuring up tropes; I’m explaining from direct personal experience that not all racists are white. Do you disagree?
king you. I have have no idea what what that has to do with the picture of the Sikh which was posted from reform and why you decided to go into a weird old cul de sac about a racist bloke you know. Unless you are saying Sikhs are racist? But that would be idiotic no?Do you get the point now? For gods sake.
Elysium said:
This is literally what James Cleverly was complaining about in the article I shared earlier.
Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
Couldn’t agree more. It’s also why a significant section of the Hindu vote is going conservative, but it also worries me because there is an obvious balkanisation/segregated politics going on. Not good.Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
Elysium said:
This is literally what James Cleverly was complaining about in the article I shared earlier.
Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
It is hard to understand how you arrive at this conclusion. The last 14 years have destroyed social mobility, not enhanced it. The tremendous progress we experienced has been rapidly eroded. Freedom of choice to pursue education is being curtailed. Investment in schools has gone backwards. Like it or not, the outgoing Conservative Govt has been one of the most diverse in our countries history. We have our first minority ethnic PM, and have had multiple Black and Asian politicians in positions of high office.
But some people on the left wing cannot seem to cope with minorities that are both successful and socially conservative.
Ethnic minorities that agree with the left need to be defended from the nasty racist right wing. The ones that disagree are not doing it properly.
This failure to accept social mobility and freedom of choice is the main reason why I have lost faith in the Labour movement. They don’t actually seem to want the poor or disadvantaged to succeed. They want them to stay reliant on the state, because their power is based on that dependency. If you are working class and / or from an ethnic minority, and you become successful, you also become the enemy. They don’t want to support you, they want to tear you down,
The IFS recently reported that social mobility in the UK is today harder than at any point in over half a century. That situation has arrived only recently, and is getting worse, not better.
How exactly do you think this Labour “dependency” worked? My experience was that under Blair people had far more hope and support to advance.
Ridgemont said:
Good for fking you. I have have no idea what what that has to do with the picture of the Sikh which was posted from reform and why you decided to go into a weird old cul de sac about a racist bloke you know. Unless you are saying Sikhs are racist? But that would be idiotic no?
Do you get the point now? For gods sake.
I was replying to the poster who replied to the picture, not to the picture itself.king you. I have have no idea what what that has to do with the picture of the Sikh which was posted from reform and why you decided to go into a weird old cul de sac about a racist bloke you know. Unless you are saying Sikhs are racist? But that would be idiotic no?Do you get the point now? For gods sake.
skwdenyer said:
Ridgemont said:
Good for fking you. I have have no idea what what that has to do with the picture of the Sikh which was posted from reform and why you decided to go into a weird old cul de sac about a racist bloke you know. Unless you are saying Sikhs are racist? But that would be idiotic no?
Do you get the point now? For gods sake.
I was replying to the poster who replied to the picture, not to the picture itself.king you. I have have no idea what what that has to do with the picture of the Sikh which was posted from reform and why you decided to go into a weird old cul de sac about a racist bloke you know. Unless you are saying Sikhs are racist? But that would be idiotic no?Do you get the point now? For gods sake.
Excellent.
MDMetal said:
Amazing the stuff that gets dredged up near the end of elections by the parties with the most to loose....
Reform are "dangerous" because they've turned up with their own menu to the party and everyone is now wondering why the two main parties have fairly identical policies mainly centred around taking more money off you to spend on various things you don't care or want. Quick! Let's tell everyone they're racists so nobody starts talking about their ideas.
Reform are "dangerous" because they've turned up with their own menu to the party and everyone is now wondering why the two main parties have fairly identical policies mainly centred around taking more money off you to spend on various things you don't care or want. Quick! Let's tell everyone they're racists so nobody starts talking about their ideas.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff