Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
President Merkin said:
If there is one defining characteristic of Reform & for that matter, the Tories it is not casting their nets far and wide. If anything it's casting them very narrowly indeed.
Perhaps I did not use the correct terms. National service, sick note Britain, Rwanda, Royal Marines escorting immigrants back to France...this rhetoric is designed to capture disenfranchised voters who might vote for an independent or not at all because they are disgusted with the Tories ineptitude and or inability to 'deliver the country back to them'. They live all over the country and, surprisingly, can come from any demographic, so, far and wide. The populist politics is designed to re-engage the disenfranchised with rabble rousing soundbites. Reform are challenging the Uniparty hegemony. THAT is why they'll see prolonged and sustained attacks from the existing cartel.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
jshell said:
Reform are challenging the Uniparty hegemony. THAT is why they'll see prolonged and sustained attacks from the existing cartel.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
Yup, but he does also use ambiguous language that could appeal to those on the fringes. And so we go round again. As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
biggbn said:
jshell said:
Reform are challenging the Uniparty hegemony. THAT is why they'll see prolonged and sustained attacks from the existing cartel.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
Yup, but he does also use ambiguous language that could appeal to those on the fringes. And so we go round again. As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
jshell said:
Reform are challenging the Uniparty hegemony. THAT is why they'll see prolonged and sustained attacks from the existing cartel.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
It's got nothing to do with First Past The Post politics (Uniparty hegemony ffs - what CT website did you dredge that up from).As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
It's all about the impact of the GFC->Austerity->BREXIT->Inflation doom train that the current Tory party has driven for the last 14+ years. People suffering from wage stagnation and lowering standard of living pressures, rolled the dice on BREXIT because they were led to believe that it would solve their problems. The current frustration is because that didn't actually solve anything, as the EU was never the problem. They are now believing, like desperate gamblers on a losing streak, that more dice rolling will fix things properly this time. Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
jshell said:
Thing is, many of us predicted a strong reaction to the politics of the last 15 years. And, here it comes. I didn't want it, but I completely understand it. When Orban showed that document outlining the EU's plan to import and distribute 1,000,000 migrants each year, distributing to each country based on GDP, then many people wanted to protest against that. People saw, as per the lies around the US Southern border, that this is a fairly globally planned demographic shift without explanation or justification. Those actions appeared to many to follow the so-called conspiracies of the 'Karlegi Plan' & 'Great Replacement theory'.
The "Are all conspiracy theorists thick" thread is thataway ---><---- The "tin foil hat makers" are thataway...
tangerine_sedge said:
Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
That's the point - Reform are not the charlatans in power and have never presided over anything. Everyone has seen what a Labour majority, coalition of Conservatives and Libdems, Conservative majority, Conservative minority and Conservative majority government have demonstrated over the last quarter of a century. Many people are not impressed. Jinx said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
That's the point - Reform are not the charlatans in power and have never presided over anything. Everyone has seen what a Labour majority, coalition of Conservatives and Libdems, Conservative majority, Conservative minority and Conservative majority government have demonstrated over the last quarter of a century. Many people are not impressed. 
t, tails you get the other tts - political stasis.jshell said:
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
Except when pushed on his policies he came out with his Royal Marines nonsense.He doesn’t do detail. He doesn’t look beyond the soundbite.
Yes, people who are critical of current immigration problems and processes may have their head turned initially but they’ve got to look beyond to how it will work practically and in reality and that’s where Reform stumbles.
tangerine_sedge said:
It's got nothing to do with First Past The Post politics (Uniparty hegemony ffs - what CT website did you dredge that up from).
It's all about the impact of the GFC->Austerity->BREXIT->Inflation doom train that the current Tory party has driven for the last 14+ years. People suffering from wage stagnation and lowering standard of living pressures, rolled the dice on BREXIT because they were led to believe that it would solve their problems. The current frustration is because that didn't actually solve anything, as the EU was never the problem. They are now believing, like desperate gamblers on a losing streak, that more dice rolling will fix things properly this time. Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
Hint.....It's all about the impact of the GFC->Austerity->BREXIT->Inflation doom train that the current Tory party has driven for the last 14+ years. People suffering from wage stagnation and lowering standard of living pressures, rolled the dice on BREXIT because they were led to believe that it would solve their problems. The current frustration is because that didn't actually solve anything, as the EU was never the problem. They are now believing, like desperate gamblers on a losing streak, that more dice rolling will fix things properly this time. Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
Many people actually voted for Brexit simply to get away from having to comply with laws made in foreign countries.
valiant said:
Except when pushed on his policies he came out with his Royal Marines nonsense.
He doesn’t do detail. He doesn’t look beyond the soundbite.
Yes, people who are critical of current immigration problems and processes may have their head turned initially but they’ve got to look beyond to how it will work practically and in reality and that’s where Reform stumbles.
"Smash the gangs!"He doesn’t do detail. He doesn’t look beyond the soundbite.
Yes, people who are critical of current immigration problems and processes may have their head turned initially but they’ve got to look beyond to how it will work practically and in reality and that’s where Reform stumbles.
tangerine_sedge said:
jshell said:
Reform are challenging the Uniparty hegemony. THAT is why they'll see prolonged and sustained attacks from the existing cartel.
As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
It's got nothing to do with First Past The Post politics (Uniparty hegemony ffs - what CT website did you dredge that up from).As for racism, Farage is always keen to point out that he supports properly administered immigration policies as the country has been better for contributing immigrants.
It's all about the impact of the GFC->Austerity->BREXIT->Inflation doom train that the current Tory party has driven for the last 14+ years. People suffering from wage stagnation and lowering standard of living pressures, rolled the dice on BREXIT because they were led to believe that it would solve their problems. The current frustration is because that didn't actually solve anything, as the EU was never the problem. They are now believing, like desperate gamblers on a losing streak, that more dice rolling will fix things properly this time. Clue : it won't, as it's the same charlatans operating the Casino.
tter through every changeover from that red to blue. It is the illusion of democratic choice and we need to break the whole thing down.They rolled the dice on Brexit as they never for one moment thought that democratic choice would bite them in the arse, which is why the machine immediately kicked in to counter the effects of Brexit. Just like happened Varadkar in Ireland who quit when the referenda that he gave people bit his arse too.
There is no democracy, it's an illusion and we buy it. We are moving towards neo-Feudalism.
jshell said:
Thing is, many of us predicted a strong reaction to the politics of the last 15 years. And, here it comes. I didn't want it, but I completely understand it. When Orban showed that document outlining the EU's plan to import and distribute 1,000,000 migrants each year, distributing to each country based on GDP, then many people wanted to protest against that. People saw, as per the lies around the US Southern border, that this is a fairly globally planned demographic shift without explanation or justification. Those actions appeared to many to follow the so-called conspiracies of the 'Karlegi Plan' & 'Great Replacement theory'.
The EU plans to share the burden of accommodating refugees wasn't a plan to "import" anyone, it was recognition of an existing problem and an attempt to deal with it fairly. captain_cynic said:
tangerine_sedge said:
The "Are all conspiracy theorists thick" thread is thataway --->
<---- The "tin foil hat makers" are thataway...
Why am I not surprised that CTers are both Brexiteers and Reform supporters. <---- The "tin foil hat makers" are thataway...
otolith said:
jshell said:
Thing is, many of us predicted a strong reaction to the politics of the last 15 years. And, here it comes. I didn't want it, but I completely understand it. When Orban showed that document outlining the EU's plan to import and distribute 1,000,000 migrants each year, distributing to each country based on GDP, then many people wanted to protest against that. People saw, as per the lies around the US Southern border, that this is a fairly globally planned demographic shift without explanation or justification. Those actions appeared to many to follow the so-called conspiracies of the 'Karlegi Plan' & 'Great Replacement theory'.
The EU plans to share the burden of accommodating refugees wasn't a plan to "import" anyone, it was recognition of an existing problem and an attempt to deal with it fairly. Serious question: How many can we take without seriously undermining society, social sevices and housing? There is almost an infinite supply, so how many can we accomodate?
OddCat said:
Just out of interest, and hypothetically speaking obviously, what bad things do the Reform haters on here think would happen if Reform were to win a majority ?
Or perhaps more realistically what would be the dire consequences of them winning 10-20 seats 
As that is what a good performance would get them and yet many people seem to be getting themselves very worked up.
Mortarboard said:
OddCat said:
Just out of interest, and hypothetically speaking obviously, what bad things do the Reform haters on here think would happen if Reform were to win a majority ?
An economy like Greece, before it got the bailout.....M.
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