Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

[S600BSB]

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

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S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

[biggbn]

119 said:

S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

Could you please point me to where anyone has suggested ALL who vote for Reform are racist? Or even highlight in 600s post where they did?

[S600BSB]

119 said:

S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

Anyone would think you are a Reform voter old thing! Why am I not surprised. Got your homophone? Haha

[don'tbesilly]

S600BSB said:

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

You might want to take your own advice from Friday

S600BSB said:

Come on man - it’s Glasto!

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

[911hope]

Vasco said:

.....but many voting for Reform have no involvement with racism. They are protesting, mainly against the Conservatives.

Because....they don't regard the Tories as being far enough to the right. Doesn't exactly disprove racism.

[biggbn]

don'tbesilly said:

S600BSB said:

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

You might want to take your own advice from Friday

S600BSB said:

Come on man - it’s Glasto!

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

For the sake of clarity, and for the last time...nobody, I think, certainly from what I have read, is suggesting everyone who votes for, follows, attends meeting of or for the Reform party is racist. Some of us believe that some of Farage's language is suitable ambiguous and can be seen to be calculated to appeal to those who are, who, even though they are, I believe, in a minority in ANY party, still have a vote to cast. Nobody is saying all reform supporters are Racist...unless they are somewhat deluded.

[chrispmartha]

don'tbesilly said:

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

Did he charge for this one?

[biggbn]

I'm out for the day chaps, off to watch the match! Engerlund!!!! Have a great evening

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S600BSB said:

119 said:

S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

Anyone would think you are a Reform voter old thing! Why am I not surprised. Got your homophone? Haha

I am not a voter of anyone as it stands sweetheart.

You must be really looking forward to voting a near pensioner in though.

Must really grind your bks.

[don'tbesilly]

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

Did he charge for this one?

No idea, I never went, nor looked into what the admission policy was.

I’m sure you could find out, try google.

[don'tbesilly]

biggbn said:

don'tbesilly said:

S600BSB said:

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

You might want to take your own advice from Friday

S600BSB said:

Come on man - it’s Glasto!

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

For the sake of clarity, and for the last time...nobody, I think, certainly from what I have read, is suggesting everyone who votes for, follows, attends meeting of or for the Reform party is racist. Some of us believe that some of Farage's language is suitable ambiguous and can be seen to be calculated to appeal to those who are, who, even though they are, I believe, in a minority in ANY party, still have a vote to cast. Nobody is saying all reform supporters are Racist...unless they are somewhat deluded.

Seems S600BSB is the exception, not only does he think they are racist, they are also homophobes

S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

[Panamax]

I get the distinct impression Farage is a demolition contractor pretending to be a builder.

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biggbn said:

119 said:

S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

Could you please point me to where anyone has suggested ALL who vote for Reform are racist? Or even highlight in 600s post where they did?

Maybe not posted as 'all', but the inference is there to see, (along with old, homophobes etc etc), but it is also interesting that he is besotted with the leader of the Labour party who is not far off pension age.

Gotta keep in with the cool kids see.

[Nomme de Plum]

Panamax said:

I get the distinct impression Farage is a demolition contractor pretending to be a builder.

That sir, is a very astute characterisation.

[768]

Nomme de Plum said:

Panamax said:

I get the distinct impression Farage is a demolition contractor pretending to be a builder.

That sir, is a very astute characterisation.

Absolutely. But the two main parties are project managers who won't acknowledge some key buildings are condemned, so to some he is at least a step forward.

[andy43]

biggbn said:

119 said:

As I can’t be bothered to look, does anyone know if any historic manifesto pledges actually taken place once the party is in?

You illustrate my point succinctly and clearly. Why do we put up with these cheats and liars?

<looks at plan>
<sucks teeth>
“Now we’ve got it back to bare brick mate it’s going to be another 15 grand - look at the state of it”

[Killboy]

don'tbesilly said:

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

Do you think it's not possible that 0.2% of people in the UK are racist?

[rscott]

don'tbesilly said:

chrispmartha said:

don'tbesilly said:

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

Did he charge for this one?

No idea, I never went, nor looked into what the admission policy was.

I’m sure you could find out, try google.

£5 a time, again.

[rscott]

Reform candidate quits the party - https://news.sky.com/story/election-2024-poll-suna...

"Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hard-working people during the course of the general election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the party's leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with."