Reform UK

[I am alright Jack]

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

Farage's crowd at the NEC is quite impressive, but nothing compared to Binface's...

I like Binface. I think his Manifesto is a lot better thought out than Reform's, and I've not yet seen his canvassers being accused of being massive racists either.

https://www.countbinface.com/manifesto

[smn159]

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

[biggbn]

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

[uk66fastback]

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

That’s just BS. The key to attracting more support for Reform is to appeal to a broader base … what has he ever said that means he wants to ‘normalise racist attitudes’ - it sounded good in your head as you typed it, but it means nothing.

[skwdenyer]

Vanden Saab said:

All those racists cheering and clapping the err Muslim speaker.

I know nothing about that specific speaker, but the most racist British person I know is a Sikh, closely followed by a variety of Muslims. That’s before we consider the likes of Patel and Braverman and whether they are or are not racist.

[MDMetal]

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

Source?

[Vanden Saab]

biggbn said:

I mentioned the uncosted manifesto, indeed compared it to Corbyns uncosted one that was widely derided, yet, tumbleweed.....must be making the right kind of promises with the imaginary money?

According to the IFS all the manifestos are imaginary, with much bigger uncosted elements in those planning net zero by 2030. Not sure why Reform would be singled out tbf.

[biggbn]

Vanden Saab said:

biggbn said:

I mentioned the uncosted manifesto, indeed compared it to Corbyns uncosted one that was widely derided, yet, tumbleweed.....must be making the right kind of promises with the imaginary money?

According to the IFS all the manifestos are imaginary, with much bigger uncosted elements in those planning net zero by 2030. Not sure why Reform would be singled out tbf.

This is a thread about Reform. I did say earler that I believe all party's manifestos should be fully costed, and mentioned Corbyn's wish list..hardly singling out Reform? Perhaps you missed that bit? The whole thing is smoke and mirrors and we the people lap it up. We are complicit in the state of the political classes, not only do we condone the actions of the various parties by our silence, many of us go to great lengths to actually defend them.

[swisstoni]

All this talk about manifestos. At best they are wish lists designed to appeal to whoever the party is targeting. They are relevant right up to Thursday.

After which, the whole circus moves on regardless.

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As I can’t be bothered to look, does anyone know if any historic manifesto pledges actually taken place once the party is in?

[biggbn]

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[ChocolateFrog]

TonyToniTone said:

robscot said:

Hilarious tonight at a Reform gig

Farage doing his nut, and terrible attempt to take it down

https://x.com/bydonkeys/status/1807141707571454290...

Thought they were supposed to keep that stuff until after the press have left.

[S600BSB]

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

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S600BSB said:

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

So, you still don't have any data or evidence to confirm your bias about all those that would vote reform are racist.

Why am i not surprised.

[biggbn]

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[S600BSB]

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[don'tbesilly]

S600BSB said:

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

You might want to take your own advice from Friday

S600BSB said:

Come on man - it’s Glasto!

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

[911hope]

Vasco said:

.....but many voting for Reform have no involvement with racism. They are protesting, mainly against the Conservatives.

Because....they don't regard the Tories as being far enough to the right. Doesn't exactly disprove racism.

[biggbn]

don'tbesilly said:

S600BSB said:

biggbn said:

smn159 said:

I am alright Jack said:

biggbn said:

I am surprised at that. It is obvious that some people are racist, bigoted, whatever, and no party has exclusive appeal to them. Every party will have some undesirable, for whatever reasons, characters casting a vote for them. Some court these votes more than others I feel, end of the day, every vote cast is equal.

Yep. As Farage has only been back in the chair, so to speak, a short time it's far to early for him to have done much to clean things up, but I like to think that in time he will.

Farage doesn't want to 'clean things up'. He wants to normalise racist attitudes

I think his language is calculated and is being used to attract that type of voter who will be, I'd hope, be in a minority across the board, but they all count. It also has a degree of ambiguity about it designed to give him plausible deniability when subsequently challenged. Johnson used similar tactics.
Others disagree on this, and that's cool. I've been wrong many times before!!

I think that’s right. I’ve never believed that’s it’s just the old and thick who vote for Reform as some say. Lots of older folk are highly intelligent and wouldn’t go anywhere near Reform - even as a protest vote. I think we have to accept that some people in society really do hold racist and homophobic views and, like it or not, they see Reform as their current mainstream party of choice.

You might want to take your own advice from Friday

S600BSB said:

Come on man - it’s Glasto!

Do you think the reputed to be 5,000 people at the NEC earlier today are racist & homophobic?

What about the 130k people who watched it online, are they racists and homophobes as well.

That’s an awful lot of racist homophobic people, and they are all voting for reform according to you.

For the sake of clarity, and for the last time...nobody, I think, certainly from what I have read, is suggesting everyone who votes for, follows, attends meeting of or for the Reform party is racist. Some of us believe that some of Farage's language is suitable ambiguous and can be seen to be calculated to appeal to those who are, who, even though they are, I believe, in a minority in ANY party, still have a vote to cast. Nobody is saying all reform supporters are Racist...unless they are somewhat deluded.