Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?

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Killboy said:

119 said:

Good point.

Thanks Blair.

Ah, so it’s the governments fault?

Yep thats fair.

i thought for a minute we had sent millions money over there to assist in reducing the numbers, but i am indeed mistaken.

I look forward to Labour correcting the massive st storm they created.

[Digga]

biggbn said:

Blue62 said:

valiant said:

Farage also refusing to go on Kuensburg tomorrow until he gets an apology from the BBC over his treatment on leaders question time the other night.

Bit of a snowflake isn't he?

He’s a clever boy, plays the media and keeps himself in the spotlight. Another none story (in the grand scheme of things) that has dominated the news agenda for 24hours, no wonder the Tories are terrified of him. Such a shame he decided to stop grifting for Trump and return to his U.K. business enterprise.

Thar says it all. The party in power are terrified of a hypocritical populist grifter. That's how low their party has sunk.

They’re terrified because everyone knows - there’s no hiding from the fact - they have done a terrible job. The average voter is far worse off than at the start of this government.

[don'tbesilly]

119 said:

Killboy said:

119 said:

Good point.

Thanks Blair.

Ah, so it’s the governments fault?

Yep thats fair.

i thought for a minute we had sent millions money over there to assist in reducing the numbers, but i am indeed mistaken.

I look forward to Labour correcting the massive st storm they created.

Small change, instead of reducing the number of migrants crossing the channel we are now paying more £’s to get more migrants. Rayner is going to divvy them up and distribute them fairly across all the UK local authorities apparently.

[President Merkin]

Blue62 said:

valiant said:

Farage also refusing to go on Kuensburg tomorrow until he gets an apology from the BBC over his treatment on leaders question time the other night.

Bit of a snowflake isn't he?

He’s a clever boy, plays the media and keeps himself in the spotlight. Another none story (in the grand scheme of things) that has dominated the news agenda for 24hours, no wonder the Tories are terrified of him. Such a shame he decided to stop grifting for Trump and return to his U.K. business enterprise.

That's one interpretation. Another is he's always the victim. The evil BBC & C4 out to get him. The grievance, whining is ever present. Funny how the strong men are always the least secure.

[Elysium]

Killboy said:

So who hired the actor?

This company sold the undercover footage to Channel 4

https://www.leesorrellmedia.com/

You can see on their website that they did something similar in 2019 targeting the Brexit Party:

https://www.leesorrellmedia.com/brexit-party-under...

And in 2015 against UKIP

https://news.sky.com/story/ukip-suspends-candidate...

Edit: it is being suggested that Andrew Parker may have been brought into this by the organisation Hope Not Hate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_not_Hate

Interesting that this group was founded by an investigative journalist from the same area as Lee Sorrel and that they have a long history of opposing UKIP and Farage.

Edited by Elysium on Saturday 29th June 17:31

[Blue62]

Digga said:

hey’re terrified because everyone knows - there’s no hiding from the fact - they have done a terrible job. The average voter is far worse off than at the start of this government.

All true, but I get the strong sense that they don’t know how to deal with him, he’s a threat that they just don’t seem to have an answer to. I personally think the Tories have lost their identity and compass, which is the major issue, if they were confident and assured of their base they’d swat Farage aside.

[Blue62]

119 said:

Yep thats fair.

i thought for a minute we had sent millions money over there to assist in reducing the numbers, but i am indeed mistaken.

I look forward to Labour correcting the massive st storm they created.

Labour won’t fix the problem, but you can’t seriously argue that they created it. At least they might try to adopt some sensible, practical policies and return us to a period of boring hum drum daily life.

[Killboy]

Elysium said:

This company sold the undercover footage to Channel 4

https://www.leesorrellmedia.com/

You can see on their website that they did something similar in 2019 targeting the Brexit Party:

https://www.leesorrellmedia.com/brexit-party-under...

And in 2015 against UKIP

https://news.sky.com/story/ukip-suspends-candidate...

Edit: it is being suggested that Andrew Parker may have been brought into this by the organisation Hope Not Hate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_not_Hate

Interesting that this group was founded by an investigative journalist from the same area as Lee Sorrel and that they have a long history of opposing UKIP and Farage.

Edited by Elysium on Saturday 29th June 17:31

That’s interesting. Were the racists in 2019 and 2015 also acting? Why would they get suspended for acting?

[911hope]

119 said:

But I thought we already had a solution?

Haven’t we already given France millions of pounds to aid stopping them from leaving but they have done the square root of fk all?

Do you know what the square root of zero is?

[andy43]

Blue62 said:

Digga said:

hey’re terrified because everyone knows - there’s no hiding from the fact - they have done a terrible job. The average voter is far worse off than at the start of this government.

All true, but I get the strong sense that they don’t know how to deal with him, he’s a threat that they just don’t seem to have an answer to. I personally think the Tories have lost their identity and compass, which is the major issue, if they were confident and assured of their base they’d swat Farage aside.

I think it’s hilarious. Completely agree they have zero plans to deal with this.
Politics really is a cesspit.
BBC audience made up of liars and part time BBC employees presumably with no checks made - heck, my google found the immigration guy in seconds.
Channel 4 paying for production companies to make up and film news stories - hireaheadline - it’s like America or some st political drama.
Total desperation - and this is just because of Nigel Farage - can you imagine what it’d be like if someone with a decent chance of winning piled in? I’m surprised the EU/UK hasn’t banned twitter

[Catweazle]

OddCat said:

Mrr T said:

You really have that little knowledge of affairs? You do not understand the military entering the jurisdiction of another country without permission could be regarded as an act of war. At the very least assisting those no have no right to enter France is a criminal offence. If Nige did the the order the military to do that they would quite correctly refuse to comply.

....but the French agree that these people shouldn't be launching from France. They've taken million of pounds from us to help them pay for (laughable as it turns out) people to man the beaches and stop the people leaving.

I can't see why they would object to our forces effectively helping them out and returning said individuals.

And they were quick to give our forces permission to enter their jurisdiction in 1944....

Technically, it wasn't their jurisdiction in 1944 and the regime whose jurisdiction it was were certainly opposed to our forces.

[biggbn]

Is there a connection between a party leader who makes loaded but somewhat ambiguous and therefore deniable statements like the PM doesn't understand 'our' culture and some of those who flock to, and defend, his party?

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biggbn said:

Is there a connection between a party leader who makes loaded but somewhat ambiguous and therefore deniable statements like the PM doesn't understand 'our' culture and some of those who flock to, and defend, his party?

Are you just filling in for Stewie whilst he is doing the washing up?

[markh1973]

Elysium said:

markh1973 said:

bhstewie said:

Rufus Stone said:

Stewie's interpretation of language is more often than not literal. You know that.

"You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.".

What do you think he meant?

It's obvious what he meant despite some on here, for reasons I can't fathom, trying to reinterpret it.

Like Stewie.

Nope it's you who is twisting words around and adding context to get the answer you want

[biggbn]

119 said:

biggbn said:

Is there a connection between a party leader who makes loaded but somewhat ambiguous and therefore deniable statements like the PM doesn't understand 'our' culture and some of those who flock to, and defend, his party?

Are you just filling in for Stewie whilst he is doing the washing up?

Oh my goodness, you really are a joy ain't ya? Did Farage say that? Now, that's a yes or no question. I'll answer it for you. Yes. Could that kind of statement appeal to people for whom the PM's family heritage could be a problem? Again, I'll answer thst one for you. Yes, of course it could be.

I'm not really sure what your problem with me is brother man, bit that's a couple of times you've had a go at me now. We have different opinions and that's cool. Rather than trying to convince each other we are right, why not let's try to understand each other? We can do that by discussing things, and I'm happy to do that with anyone. If your not, that's cool. Your assumption that I am a Labour supporter does, I'll admit, kind of irk me. I have been vocal in my criticism of Starmer so it's somewhat lazy labelling if you don't mind me saying so. I believe in humanity, empathy and open mindedness and if you ain't on that train, that's cool. But let's talk about why. Help me understand you. Peace and love as ever, gbn x

[119]

biggbn said:

119 said:

biggbn said:

Is there a connection between a party leader who makes loaded but somewhat ambiguous and therefore deniable statements like the PM doesn't understand 'our' culture and some of those who flock to, and defend, his party?

Are you just filling in for Stewie whilst he is doing the washing up?

Oh my goodness, you really are a joy ain't ya? Did Farage say that? Now, that's a yes or no question. I'll answer it for you. Yes. Could that kind of statement appeal to people for whom the PM's family heritage could be a problem? Again, I'll answer thst one for you. Yes, of course it could be.

I'm not really sure what your problem with me is brother man, bit that's a couple of times you've had a go at me now. We have different opinions and that's cool. Rather than trying to convince each other we are right, why not let's try to understand each other? We can do that by discussing things, and I'm happy to do that with anyone. If your not, that's cool. Your assumption that I am a Labour supporter does, I'll admit, kind of irk me. I have been vocal in my criticism of Starmer so it's somewhat lazy labelling if you don't mind me saying so. I believe in humanity, empathy and open mindedness and if you ain't on that train, that's cool. But let's talk about why. Help me understand you. Peace and love as ever, gbn x

I apologise as I never meant it to be a snarky commment and is probably the one time I should have used a smiley.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

President Merkin said:

Blue62 said:

valiant said:

Farage also refusing to go on Kuensburg tomorrow until he gets an apology from the BBC over his treatment on leaders question time the other night.

Bit of a snowflake isn't he?

He’s a clever boy, plays the media and keeps himself in the spotlight. Another none story (in the grand scheme of things) that has dominated the news agenda for 24hours, no wonder the Tories are terrified of him. Such a shame he decided to stop grifting for Trump and return to his U.K. business enterprise.

That's one interpretation. Another is he's always the victim. The evil BBC & C4 out to get him. The grievance, whining is ever present. Funny how the strong men are always the least secure.

Same thing.

As PT Barnham said, any publicity is good publicity.

Doesn't matter what you think if him, or why. He's keeping himself front and centre of media.

[biggbn]

119 said:

biggbn said:

119 said:

biggbn said:

Is there a connection between a party leader who makes loaded but somewhat ambiguous and therefore deniable statements like the PM doesn't understand 'our' culture and some of those who flock to, and defend, his party?

Are you just filling in for Stewie whilst he is doing the washing up?

Oh my goodness, you really are a joy ain't ya? Did Farage say that? Now, that's a yes or no question. I'll answer it for you. Yes. Could that kind of statement appeal to people for whom the PM's family heritage could be a problem? Again, I'll answer thst one for you. Yes, of course it could be.

I'm not really sure what your problem with me is brother man, bit that's a couple of times you've had a go at me now. We have different opinions and that's cool. Rather than trying to convince each other we are right, why not let's try to understand each other? We can do that by discussing things, and I'm happy to do that with anyone. If your not, that's cool. Your assumption that I am a Labour supporter does, I'll admit, kind of irk me. I have been vocal in my criticism of Starmer so it's somewhat lazy labelling if you don't mind me saying so. I believe in humanity, empathy and open mindedness and if you ain't on that train, that's cool. But let's talk about why. Help me understand you. Peace and love as ever, gbn x

I apologise as I never meant it to be a snarky commment and is probably the one time I should have used a smiley.

thanks man, have a wonderful evening

[Elysium]

markh1973 said:

Elysium said:

markh1973 said:

bhstewie said:

Rufus Stone said:

Stewie's interpretation of language is more often than not literal. You know that.

"You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.".

What do you think he meant?

It's obvious what he meant despite some on here, for reasons I can't fathom, trying to reinterpret it.

Like Stewie.

Nope it's you who is twisting words around and adding context to get the answer you want

That makes no sense. I am saying you should look at what was actually said. That is the exact opposite of “twisting words”.

[biggbn]

Elysium said:

markh1973 said:

Elysium said:

markh1973 said:

bhstewie said:

Rufus Stone said:

Stewie's interpretation of language is more often than not literal. You know that.

"You see that fking degenerate flag on the front bonnet? What are the old bill doing promoting that crap? They should be out catching nonces not promoting the fkers.".

What do you think he meant?

It's obvious what he meant despite some on here, for reasons I can't fathom, trying to reinterpret it.

Like Stewie.

Nope it's you who is twisting words around and adding context to get the answer you want

That makes no sense. I am saying you should look at what was actually said. That is the exact opposite of “twisting words”.

Let's twist again....?