The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

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Former Uvalde school district police chief charged with child endangerment after shooting that killed 21

Timely and robust action as always…

[MKnight702]

mko9 said:

djc206 said:

alabbasi said:

dvs_dave said:

I’m a US citizen, live in Chicago, and have an Illinois Firearm Owner’s ID.

Ahh yes, the city with one of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Last time I was there, I saw security guards and barriers in between the public and the staff at the KFC down the road from my hotel. So how are these firearm laws working out for you?

Chicago is a few miles from the next state. Gun laws are unlikely to work with completely porous borders allowing weapons to flow freely into the city. Hawaii demonstrates reasonably well what half decent gun control can achieve when there’s no easy method of circumventing them.

Now we just have to figure out how to move each of the States onto it's own island in the middle of the Pacific...

Are these shootings in Chicago done by legally held firearms or by criminals using illegal firearms? If the answer is the latter, exactly how do you think more laws restricting legal owners will help? A law is only useful for punishment not prevention.

[menguin]

MKnight702 said:

Are these shootings in Chicago done by legally held firearms or by criminals using illegal firearms? If the answer is the latter, exactly how do you think more laws restricting legal owners will help? A law is only useful for punishment not prevention.

Because having a country with vastly easily available legal firearms might....just....increase the availability of illegally held firearms?

[MKnight702]

menguin said:

MKnight702 said:

Are these shootings in Chicago done by legally held firearms or by criminals using illegal firearms? If the answer is the latter, exactly how do you think more laws restricting legal owners will help? A law is only useful for punishment not prevention.

Because having a country with vastly easily available legal firearms might....just....increase the availability of illegally held firearms?

Just like making drugs illegal stopped drug taking, or banning alcohol during prohibition stopped people drinking? Nope.

The only thing that might work would be actually enforcing the laws in place and not allowing felons to plea bargain down firearms offences to nothing. However, that would massively increase the number of people in jail and most of those would be people who aren't white so the liberals would be screaming about how the American justice system was racist.

Punishing the innocent by restricting firearms access for those who aren't the problem is like taking everyone's car keys to stop drunk driving. Except less effective.