Reform UK

[Vasco]

BigMon said:

fido said:

Whereas the benefits of Labour winning the election will be a new generation of folks who will learn that they might as well let Kerry Katona manage the country's finances. No one is expecting Reform to win any more than a few MPs - it's just a way to prod the Conservatives to be more Conservative.

Yes because Sunak et al have done such a sterling job of that haven't they.

Jesus wept.

Starmer's crowd could prove to be little different to Sunak. I'm struggling to believe that our main taxes won't now steadily increase under Labour.

[rscott]

Vanden Saab said:

Killboy said:

don'tbesilly said:

Same guy

Who planted him there?

Just an ordinary member of the public in your world I guess.

You do understand the BBC don't go round dragging random people off the streets to make up the QT audience?
They choose from people who have applied to be in the audience, so are likely to be people with a interest in politics.

[Elysium]

Castrol for a knave said:

Rufus Stone said:

Castrol for a knave said:

".....Catching nonces, not promoting the fkers".

I am trying to roll that around but it always comes back to the same. I think most people would read it as homophobic.

I think Farage should just put his hands up to this, say it was a couple of rogue canvassers and move on.

The whole C4 set me up makes him sound like the whiny politicians he wants to usurp.

Catching nonces, not promoting Pride.

Really trying to be even handed, but I still interpret what he said as intentionally equating gay to nonce.

We will have to differ on this one chap.

I think that is a really odd leap to make. It’s not what he said and it requires you to come to that conclusion independently.

If you take his words literally, the simpler explanation is that he thinks some of the people associated with the pride flag are nonces and that the police should be catching them.

This is a common enough trope on social media that fact check sites have felt the need to address suggestions that the pride flag includes colours that represent paedophiles:

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33JG4QN

Again, before anyone starts suggesting I am defending this guy, I disagree entirely with his comments which are crass and offensive.

However, I think the suggestion that this was specifically homophobic is overly simplistic and that the interpretation that he was insulting all LGBTQ people is flat out wrong.

If these views are to be tackled they first need to be understood.

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LimmerickLad said:

President Merkin said:

Anyway, setting aside all the weirdos arguing night is day, here Farridge is arguing we go to war with France, deploying the Marines. Fully expect the chuckle heads to be all over me like a cheap coat, however, if he is not suggesting unilateral military action, then what is he suggesting?

Kills me to say this but Cameron was right. He is at the head of a bunch of swivel eyed loonies, fruitcakes & racists. You have to be nuts to give this guy the time of day much less yiour vote.

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1806808073039...

Do you talk like this in the real world?

So Farage is asked questions and gives direct responses.

Maybe he can’t understand the answers?

[valiant]

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[don'tbesilly]

rscott said:

Vanden Saab said:

Killboy said:

don'tbesilly said:

Same guy

Who planted him there?

Just an ordinary member of the public in your world I guess.

You do understand the BBC don't go round dragging random people off the streets to make up the QT audience?
They choose from people who have applied to be in the audience, so are likely to be people with a interest in politics.

Does anyone @ the Beeb do any vetting at all?



The briefest of looks at his Twitter feed would highlight the above as being highly improbable.

Edited by don'tbesilly on Saturday 29th June 15:20

Well clearly they don’t do any vetting

https://www.youtube.com/live/VHpKPtQfarM

Edited by don'tbesilly on Saturday 29th June 15:36

[BigMon]

Vasco said:

Starmer's crowd could prove to be little different to Sunak. I'm struggling to believe that our main taxes won't now steadily increase under Labour.

I'm not expecting anything from them at all. As I keep repeating, the vast majority of current politicians of all colour are, IMHO, useless charlatans.

I just weary of the tribal 'Labour Project Fear' cobblers.

If anyone has a crystal ball and can guarantee life will be worse under Labour then can they please tell me the numbers for the next big Euromillions draw so at least I'll be insulated from it.

[don'tbesilly]

lol

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[Vasco]

BigMon said:

Vasco said:

Starmer's crowd could prove to be little different to Sunak. I'm struggling to believe that our main taxes won't now steadily increase under Labour.

I'm not expecting anything from them at all. As I keep repeating, the vast majority of current politicians of all colour are, IMHO, useless charlatans.

I just weary of the tribal 'Labour Project Fear' cobblers.

If anyone has a crystal ball and can guarantee life will be worse under Labour then can they please tell me the numbers for the next big Euromillions draw so at least I'll be insulated from it.

As you know, nobody can guarantee anything. I think the issue nowadays is that many people would expect taxes to hold steady, or fall, under Conservatives - whereas there's virtually an automatic assumption that they'll increase under Labour.
Only time will tell.
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[Mrr T]

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[biggbn]

Slightly different tack here, but when Corbyn's Labour announced what said to be an uncosted fantasy manifesto that appealed only to 'lefties' he/they were, rightly, widely reviled. Reform have jist done the same thing and nobody seems to be mentioning it. Certainly not on here. The right type of lies perhaps?

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[OddCat]

Mrr T said:

You really have that little knowledge of affairs? You do not understand the military entering the jurisdiction of another country without permission could be regarded as an act of war. At the very least assisting those no have no right to enter France is a criminal offence. If Nige did the the order the military to do that they would quite correctly refuse to comply.

....but the French agree that these people shouldn't be launching from France. They've taken million of pounds from us to help them pay for (laughable as it turns out) people to man the beaches and stop the people leaving.

I can't see why they would object to our forces effectively helping them out and returning said individuals.

And they were quick to give our forces permission to enter their jurisdiction in 1944....

[Mr Penguin]

OddCat said:

....but the French agree that these people shouldn't be launching from France. They've taken million of pounds from us to help them pay for (laughable as it turns out) people to man the beaches and stop the people leaving.

I can't see why they would object to our forces effectively helping them out and returning said individuals.

And they were quick to give our forces permission to enter their jurisdiction in 1944....

Bit of a difference between 1944 and 2024.

[biggbn]

OddCat said:

Mrr T said:

You really have that little knowledge of affairs? You do not understand the military entering the jurisdiction of another country without permission could be regarded as an act of war. At the very least assisting those no have no right to enter France is a criminal offence. If Nige did the the order the military to do that they would quite correctly refuse to comply.

....but the French agree that these people shouldn't be launching from France. They've taken million of pounds from us to help them pay for (laughable as it turns out) people to man the beaches and stop the people leaving.

I can't see why they would object to our forces effectively helping them out and returning said individuals.

And they were quick to give our forces permission to enter their jurisdiction in 1944....

And there we go...

[valiant]

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[valiant]

OddCat said:

....but the French agree that these people shouldn't be launching from France. They've taken million of pounds from us to help them pay for (laughable as it turns out) people to man the beaches and stop the people leaving.

I can't see why they would object to our forces effectively helping them out and returning said individuals.

And they were quick to give our forces permission to enter their jurisdiction in 1944....

So much wrong it's difficult to know where to start.

Farage has certainly done a number on you...

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[skwdenyer]

Vasco said:

As you know, nobody can guarantee anything. I think the issue nowadays is that many people would expect taxes to hold steady, or fall, under Conservatives - whereas there's virtually an automatic assumption that they'll increase under Labour.
Only time will tell.
.

Whereas anyone with a credible view of the economy would expect taxes overall to rise to match our peers in return for delivering equivalent levels of service.